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Apple iPad Announcement Aftermath

My meta-analysis was correct on all counts, except for the inclusion of the A7 in the new iPad 5, which Apple hopes you will call the "iPad Air" because everyone refused to call it the "New iPad." The decision to use the same exact chip in the iPad 5 as in the iPhone 5S is somewhat baffling, and will be deeply worrying for people previously burned by the iPad 3. The iPad 3 shipped with an inferior processor incapable of keeping up with the huge retina display, and suffered a life-time of sluggish performance and annoying bugs. Developers consistently tell me that the majority of their bug reports come from iPad 3 users.

I can't help but wonder if we're being setup for the same failure to deliver on performance, while trying to squeeze down into a smaller form factor for pure fashion. The iPhone 5S retina resolution is 1,136x640, whereas the iPad 5 resolution is almost twice as large at 2,048x1,536; yet the same processor is meant to be driving both.

My iPad 2 outperforms the iPad 3 when just moving around in the homescreen or switching apps. Apple seems to agree with the value of the iPad 2, by not only keeping it in their lineup for the next year, but also keeping it at the $399 price.

As predicted the iPad Mini Retina has been announced, also for $399, and they will continue to sell the old Mini for $299. Interestingly the iPad Mini Retina is also running the A7 chip.

GarageBand will indeed be free for people purchasing new iOS 7 devices, and new Macs. It is set to get a massive update today, but presently it has been pulled from iTunes. The update pumps the track count to 16, and all the way up to 32 tracks on 64-bit (A7) devices. There is also going to be some session drummer feature, but I believe I heard that will be a separate IAP.

Update: The GarageBand update has landed, and it is surprisingly free for everyone. The new version with Inter-App Audio will only work on iOS 7, but everyone can take advantage of this! If you try to download from an iOS 6 device it will offer to let you download the last version that worked on iOS 6.

What's new in GarageBand v2.0:

  • All-new streamlined design
  • Create a song with up to 32 tracks* using Touch Instruments, audio recordings, and loops
  • Record compatible Third-Party music apps using Inter-App Audio in iOS 7
  • Drag and drop audio recordings to create Sampler instruments
  • Support for AirDrop in iOS 7
  • 64-bit support

* Requires devices with the A7 chip.16 tracks available on iPhone 5c, iPhone 5, iPhone 4s, iPad (4th generation), iPad (3rd generation), iPad 2, iPad mini, and iPod touch (5th generation)

Buy GarageBand on iTunes: Freemium

Reader Comments 72

I fully agree with your iPad 2 comments, with further aggravation in that, you can only get the 16GB version now. (facepalm)

my 2c
h79

October 22, 2013  | person_outline hoyas79

Those pics look very confusing on size of screen,looks like new ipad is very simular to old ipad mini apart from shorter width,slightly longer.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline andre

with a thinner, lighter razor you get a smoother, faster shave...provided the blade makers, um, i mean, content providers (app developers and such) don't spoil it with bloated code and ads. seems even apple can't escape the razors and blades business model.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline a1

http://www.apple.com/ios/garageband/

As far as I can tell the Session Drummer feature is for the MacOS version. Conspicuously absent from the descriptions on the Apple page for iOS GB is any mention of automation. D'oh!

October 22, 2013  | person_outline Graham

All very interesting .I have a ipad2 love it but now struggling to run a few of the newer apps together but hey I can work around that. I was contemplating upgrading to the latest model when it comes out but then I think why should I be pushed to this by the app developers?? As they raise the bar in what hardware is necessary to run their apps-cubasis is a classic example as description says "compatible with ipad" but it ran like a pile of crap on my ipad 2 so I got a refund based on the fact that the description was misleading

-anyway years ago I stoped using my pc (round the time cubasis VST came out circa 15 years ago) to make music as it got to the stage where I would be constantly updating hardware ram/hardrive/processor just to run the latest version of logic or what ever software -looks like we are back in that same place but 15 years on

Decision :my ipad 2 does all I want it to with a great range of slightly older apps that work well and suit my needs $399 outlay so I can run the latest $ 9.99 app -just doesn't make sense to me!!!!

October 22, 2013  | person_outline Congas

I'm happy with the 4th generation of iPad. Performance and capacity are major improvements over my iPad 2, which now belongs to my wife. Really glad I didn't get a 1 or a 3, and I'm not even going to consider the iPad "Air" (smirk). There will have to be a serious increase in performance over the 4th gen before I even look at a newer model.

Am I the only one who wants a bigger screen, not smaller?

October 22, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

I dont see any need to upgrade..in fact , you will soon get better deals on Craiglist or Ebay for sheeple trying to sell their 4s and New iPads to buy the latest models . I think a 399$ new iPad on CL will be much better deal taht will last for 1 year till we understand Apples gameplan for next year.
With all devices on 64 bit OS now , they might have next year models with more RAM and 64 bit apps that take advantage of that .
In any case ,almost all of the current breed of apps work on "older" devices perfectly and there is no reason to upgrade just for being "fast".
Looks like the amount of RAM has not been changed anyway so you cant load more apps / IAA too
Wait and watch or snag a good deal on CL or Ebay

October 22, 2013  | person_outline pat

Apple hasn't confirmed the memory of the iPad 5 yet, and I haven't seen any reports that indicate it either, so there is no way of saying how much it has. Apple doesn't tend to get into those sorts of details. In fact that is one major omission from the official site.

Pat problem for me is i can only buy 1 ipad every 3 years at best and i have my ipad 2 so not buying the new ipad and getting a ipad 4 would be a bad move.But like Zen said a bigger size ipad was what i really needed and that pisses me of that they go for bloody looks instead of pratical.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline andre

I'm most interested in the iPad mini … I didn't purchase the 1st gen mini because of the lack of Retina display but the new mini has not only the Retina display but the A7 chip so I'm very tempted. I don't use my iPhone for music creation because it's just too small, the iPad is great at home but clumsy to take with me … the mini would be perfect for mobility and I think it will have plenty of processing power for the music apps. It's just trying to justify another I device … I have the 1st gen iPad, the iPad 3, the iPad 4, an iPhone 3GS the iPhone 4S and a whole bunch of iPods starting with the 1st one … my name is Marlene DeGrood and I'm an "I"aholic.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline Marlene DeGrood

Do you think an iPad 2 is sufficient enough to keep making music , will it run smoothly with ios 7.1 or is it necessary to upgrade?

October 22, 2013  | person_outline G

Is the iPad mini compatible with all iPad music apps? If so, the new mini looks like a good deal.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline Pat

@ZenLizard

I want a bigger screen AND an smaller device but that seems not to be possible nowadays XD. I always thought that the (regular sized) iPad is a bit too big and heavy. I like a lot more the Mini as a portable device BUT I would love to see an iPad "Pro" oriented to graphical artists as myself...This new iPad Air, seems to me, would be the perfect compromise between screen size and overall size/weight.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline A.C.

new ipad mini looks good to me. i like that size and power combo.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline Anonymouse

G kymatica says ipad mini works good enough with ios7 so ipad 2 should, ive really run out of memory, 16gb is to small by miles and i want to be able to use 5 apps in audiobus are my big reasons but a ipad 2 is still a good device.Marlene youve definately got a problem your a apple device addict ADA

October 22, 2013  | person_outline andre

@G

Just as much as an iPad 2 (since is pretty much the same hardware). That means: yes, totally. But at the same time, if you are going to buy a new one, you should go for the new Mini. Both "cheap" iPad Mini/iPad 2 have already problems running some of the most recent and powerful apps, and with a much powerful device you have a lot more room to work with several apps at the same time.

@Pat

Of course it is/will be. You may thought of an Ipad Mini as the same thing as an iPad 2, and the new iPad Mini as basically the same thing as the new iPad Air (maybe with less RAM?...), just with a smaller screen.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline A.C.

7.03 is out some places. My iPad only shows 7.02 that it downloaded, hadn't installed it cause I figured a newer version would be right around the corner...

October 22, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

The mini2 is the real story here for me; retina display aside it has just fastforwarded 2 CPU generations and is now for the first time on equal processing terms with the new current top ipad (air).

Can I use splashtop on my larger ipad2 screen to control a new ipad mini2 with 4x the CPU I wonder ?

October 22, 2013  | person_outline sparkle

^^^^edit ..or is the A7 8x the CPU of the ipad 2 as it went dual to quadcore, ..and now 2x the previous quad ?

October 22, 2013  | person_outline sparkle

Your all persuading me to buy a new ipad mini which i could do in a month as its alot cheaper,i will wait and see comments from the ones that cant wait and buy

October 22, 2013  | person_outline andre

I just downloaded the GarageBand update. Not a big fan, but I'll maybe give it another chance now that it has IAA. I wish developers would get in gear and get IAA integrated. I now have three host apps but only about six "instrument" apps that can be used in them. It's like waiting for the developers to embrace Audiobus all over again.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

Just grabbed the update to GB too. I had it uninstalled, and figured reinstalling it would give me the new one, but I was like what's new?? Then realized I still needed to update it. It's the only IAA app I have. Agree that the list of compatable instruments is fairly small, I only have a half dozen synths and 2 fx.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

Only IAA host, I meant....

October 22, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

Does the IAP for Garageband unlock if you previously bought it? I'd hope so.

October 22, 2013  | person_outline fumbles

Just got home and installed the update on my iPad 2. Initial test running Magellan through Echo Pad worked without a hitch. :)
I'll be doing more testing tonight but I didn't see a way to process Garagebands own instruments through IAA effects yet, I hope that functionality is in there and I just overlooked it.

- Christopher Rice
@HoldernessMedia

October 23, 2013  | person_outline HoldernessMedia

Marlene wrote: " I have the 1st gen iPad, the iPad 3, the iPad 4, an iPhone 3GS the iPhone 4S and a whole bunch of iPods starting with the 1st one … my name is Marlene DeGrood and I'm an "I"aholic. "

Wow! That's a lot of gadgets!

You know, there's a thing called "eBay", where you can sell old stuff you don't need any more :-)

I can talk... I have 4 iMacs, 3 iPods, an iPhone and an iPad. And a crappy old Windows XP laptop that a friend gave to me :-)

We need help Marlene!

October 23, 2013  | person_outline Simon

@Simon … not sure I want help … having too much fun:). I sell a lot of things on Ebay that I no longer use … but I won't part with an idevice :). May have sort of forgotten to mention that I also have a Nexus 7 and the Kindle Paperwhite … I know, I know … but at least I stopped snorting cocaine and quit smoking tobacco many years ago :)

October 23, 2013  | person_outline Marlene DeGrood

@sparkle said "or is the A7 8x the CPU of the ipad 2 as it went dual to quadcore, ..and now 2x the previous quad?"

***

That's a great question, perhaps even the writer of this very blog may be a little confused about it! Just because they put a SOC appropriate for an iPad into a freaking cellphone doesn't mean the iPad is getting cheated, Tim! :)

As one of those "burned" by this rushed-out iPad 3 I'm typing from, I will be upgrading to the new jam on Friday without a doubt...

The A7 packs a whollop make no mistake. It's twice the power of the A6X in the iPad 4 by virtually all metrics, and has ample GPU power to drive a retina display. These last few "X" variants used in the iPad were primarily quad core graphics versions of their iPhone counterparts, and the A7 is said to have quad core graphics, so this time out, we don't need no stinking X!


...by the way, I don't think there'll be 2gb RAM in this guy, either, Tim. And if I'm right, that's a good thing for iPad 2,3,4 owners.

:)

October 23, 2013  | person_outline gatearray

I would like to be mistaken on the power, because I have really got to upgrade this 3.

I hope I am not mistaken on the RAM. What makes you think it would be beneficial to others if it is not upgraded?

I'm now seriously considering the new retina iPad mini, that's a pretty badass machine. I just don't know if my eyes will regret it. I'll have to spend some quality time with one at the Apple store when they come out I guess, the form factor is great but I don't know if I want that size for my main machine and I'm not buying both. Hmm...

October 23, 2013  | person_outline HoldernessMedia

HoldernessMedia wrote: " I'm now seriously considering the new retina iPad mini."

I have felt the same way about the mini... but every time I pick a mini up and use it I think "this is way too small", retina or no retina.

I love the idea of that small size, but the reality of it doesn't appeal to me.

October 23, 2013  | person_outline Simon

@Simon - That's how I've felt about them too, but I've never used one for more than a few minutes at the Apple Store. I'll probably be annoying my local store by spending like an hour or two hogging one of them while I put it through tests, haha. However, if the new iPad Air indeed does have 2gb of ram that might just be a no-brainer decision. We'll find out soon enough.

October 23, 2013  | person_outline HoldernessMedia

Here's a tutorial video I just made for using Echo Pad as an IAA effect inside GarageBand. http://youtu.be/6GknHfwLRKc

The good news - In my tests so far on my iPad 2 I haven't had any crashes or problems, even when recording the tutorial via AirPlay. I'll be testing on my iPhone 5 more tonight but given the much more powerful iPhone 5 I expect it to be just fine.

Now for the bad news...I've been testing the last few hours and I don't see any way possible to process GarageBand's own instruments through IAA effect apps. I was really looking forward to that, as I'm sure most users would be. Definitely a letdown there. I tried bouncing down a recorded GarageBand instrument, then re-importing the exported aiff file into a track in hopes of being able to process it that way, but it doesn't seem possible to process recorded audio after the fact, only live audio input or IAA instrument.

Hopefully they add this functionality in a future update, or maybe it's already possible with a 64-bit device. (Anyone with a 5s out there want to confirm if this works or not?)

October 23, 2013  | person_outline HoldernessMedia

Hi Tim, I hear you on the upgrade jones! :)

I guess my thoughts on the RAM were, if the new iPad is still being "frugal" with its memory, then that bodes well for the longevity of existing iPads as it levels the playing field for developers. For instance, the new iPad won't completely out-class the existing base of millions to the point that it can run "special" software and leave the old ones in the dust.

Of course I hope I'm wrong about the RAM, but at the same time, my iPhone 5 holds multiple webpages and multitasks pretty well, so the new iPads should be even better. The 5S was determined to have 1gb RAM, so unless the iPad's A7 is "special", we may already have our answer.

Regarding concerns about running the retina display, I think the GPU in the A7 might have more VRAM at its disposal, as well. Along with system and memory optimizations in iOS 7 for the new chipset, I just think there's more to this than meets eye, we'll find out soon enough! :)

October 23, 2013  | person_outline gatearray

I agree with gatearray. The problem with the iPad 3 was that it barely had the grunt to handle its new retina display. The same will not be true for the new iPads at all. Plus As well as unknown RAM, we also don't know if the cpu/gpu will be clocked at the same rate as it is in the iPhone 5S. Nor do we know if the iPad mini retina will be clocked the same as the iPad air.

I wait for benchmarks before deciding which to buy, but I have no doubt the benchmarks will shine compared to the iPad 4, so no worries here.

October 23, 2013  | person_outline SteveElbows

Hey, do anyone of you know if the in-app purchase of the new Garageband for OSX is free for owners of the last version?. I can't get this info anywhere.

October 23, 2013  | person_outline A.C.

Nope you have to pay for the iap

Well at least I did

October 23, 2013  | person_outline Bianca

Rubbish for making music though they are the e ink kindles are great for reading a book outside on a sunny day, Gawd knows why you have a nexus though ;)

October 23, 2013  | person_outline Bianca

Thanks for answering Bianca. Not that I will complain when they'r releasing a new OS for free...But I have to think twice about updating to Mavericks.

October 23, 2013  | person_outline A.C.

Right, I've let this settle, checked as much as I have been able to and think that all the concerns over the processor are completely unfounded, sorry @Tim, but I think you're completely wrong here, and here's the very simple reason why:

The screen resolution of the iPad Air is exactly the same as the iPad 4!

The A6x processor handles this absolutely beautifully!

The A7 processor is at least twice as fast as the A6x!

If anyone can give me a rational explanation as to why there is even a hint of a problem here then please do let me know :)

I will of course be waiting for the benchmarks, but will more than likely be upgrading from the 4 to the air, not for general use, the 4 is completely fine here, but for heavy processing in apps like Auria and the plugins there; in this regard the difference will be substantial if the specs pan out.

Happy hardware days :))

October 24, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

I'll stick with my iPad 2 until the iPad 6 comes out :)

Cheers,
h79

October 24, 2013  | person_outline hoyas79

I see that ipad air is exactly same screen size as ipad 2 which is great news,i hear that battery life in ipad 2,3,4 is really bad since ios7 update,i did warn about this and really glad i did not download ios7 onto my ipad 2 and wont.The not so good news on new ipad is its still just got 1gb of ram instead of 2 or 3 which developers would like for using 64 bit e.t.c.

October 30, 2013  | person_outline andre

Yea...only 1GB DRAM. Again. That 1GB DRAM will be a major bottleneck this time around, but I guess we should be used to Apple always = total failure when it comes to hardware specs on their iPads.

October 30, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

The new ipad is going to be the first one with 64 bit and they will probably find problems and have them worked out for ipad 6 but my PC could crash anytime my ipad 2 is so full up im deleting apps to put others on so i have to buy ipad air but i would much rather wait for ipad 6 but apple said only one a year from now on.I will be very pissed off if ipad 6 comes out in spring as i could stretch that much longer for a better ipad as its a big deal buying one for me as its a luxury i really can only afford every 3 years at the moment anyway.

October 30, 2013  | person_outline andre

Battery life on ipad2 with iOS 7 is not "really bad". Subjectively, it seems slightly worse, but I still get MANY hours between charges. My iPad is also 2 years old, and battery life does decrease over time.

Apple = total failure? Sorry, that's just ridiculous, and I'm not at all a fanboy. I'm constantly amazed by how much horsepower even my iPad 2 has.
I think it's more about your dissapointment than actual "failure"..,.

October 30, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

"total failure when it comes to hardware specs"

You say that as if it were a fact!

And what is the reward for putting the most powerful mobile processor ever made in the history of mankind into the lightest, thinnest, enclosure for its screen size while maintaining tremendous battery life? Random guys on the internet categorize your efforts as not just a failure, but a TOTAL failure.

Ouch.

October 30, 2013  | person_outline gatearray

I read a post just before i wrote that where theres been loads of complaints to apple especially ipad 4 saying you can watch the clock go down which sounds bullshit unless they are watching for minutes.Its nothing new each ios update takes about an hour of apart from either ios5 or 6 which took 2 hours of my ipad 2.When i bought it one of the selling points was 12 hour battery life if not pushing it but that was crap as 9 hours was about right and i used to charge it twice a week and now it could be daily but there is suppose to be 1000 charges in a ipad 2 which works out at 3 years charging daily which is good.The annoyance to me is cant use while charging unless i could find a longer lead.

October 30, 2013  | person_outline andre

Erm, Apple failure? iPad 4, had it for about a year, still going strong, not had any issues with it at all, in fact, it constantly amazes me at just how fucking good it is! All my other Apple machines have provided years of trouble free computing, I think my productivity increased by at least 50% after I made the switch just because I wasn't constantly reinstalling fucking windows drivers every goddam 5 minutes because I'd put a USB cable in the wrong port! Or repeatedly configuring my network over and over and over and over and over and over and over again! Or clicking option window after option window after option window full of arcane options I never wanted to see, finally finding and selecting the right option only to find it did not have the desired result - of course the only way to fix this was to do it at least ten times, steel your mind against the disinformation presented and reassure yourself that you were doing the right thing, and then as if by magic it would start working! Hideous!

Let's face it, where are the other companies providing any other options at all...? I wasted a significant portion of my life in the Microsoft dance and celebrated it as a major life changing event when I finally managed to eradicate that brutal soul-destroying nightmare of a company out of my life forever!

Linux is great, and I use it a lot for servers, but desktop and audio production, no!

There isn't anything else... like it or not, Apple is as good as it gets! I hate some of their decisions, but after an initial grumble, I sit back and realise that I don't actually have any choice, so I may as well play the game as much as possible and try and pick and choose the really good releases they do put out.

If yer not happy, there's only one option, start your own company and see if you can do better!

October 30, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

The one thing over everything else about apple and ipad that has totally amazed me is no virus type problems which is something i suffer from constantly with my bloody vista laptop,i would buy mac everytime if i could afford it.

October 30, 2013  | person_outline andre

Our family has one PC running Win7, two laptops with Vista, and one with Win8. It's been literally years since we've had any type of malware issues. The Windows 7 PC is the only one out of all those that even has any 3rd party protection, all the others just have the free Microsoft stuff.

I'm sure there's still plenty off bad things out there, but I rarely even give it a second thought anymore...

October 30, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

I'm not gonna delve into some random blind windows, Linux, Apple blah blah rocks/sux thing here. I'll just let the specs (aka facts) speak for themselves (and some know-how from Anadtech etc), total fail again from Apple. Other iPads that belongs down in the trash with the Air would be iPad 1 and iPad 3. So looking at the history, they might have a decently even-specs iPad next fall. Yay...

October 30, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

Zymos the 1st year with vista i had free decent anti virus software and it was ok but i went to avast free and within months its been a nightmare of google not opening,internet so slow,crashing, updates dont go in.ive tried peoples suggestions on other anti virus but its always been awful for me with vista.

October 30, 2013  | person_outline andre

@ChrisG yeah exactly, that's what I mean about playing the game, there are definitely Good and Bad Apples!

Even so, I'd still argue that a Bad Apple is better than anything else ;)

October 30, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

Avast is weird. I never had any serious issues with it until I overclocked my CPU. Now if I render a video in Premiere it will crash unless I turn off Avast's File Shield. Took me forever to figure that one out!

I don't use Network Shield or any of the other stuff in there, but for simple FREE file checking it is passable. This is on Windows 7 (64-bit), your mileage may vary.

Hi
Just want to share the fact that Cubasis seems to be the best performer on my iPad 2. iOS7 is a ram eater and ever since I installed it, I have to clean up my ram with memory manager HD way too often. But that is a good trick though, and i can higly recommend the app. Consequently I have also noticed an overall decrease in performance as far as the numbers of synths playing at the same time though audiobus concerns. However, where BM2, Meteor and Ntrack studio hardly can handle just two synths (controlled with their midi) running through audiobus and some internal drums, Cubasis perform really good in comparison. Thus, I do not understand any failure reports with Cubasis. I have managed to run

1. two internal midi tracks with drums and a retrologue bass +
2. iSEM running a monophonic bass sequence +
3. Both synths from Megallan running respectively a melody line and chord stabs +
4. Syncing with Rebirth with both 303s running + the 808.

And it works. That is pretty impressing considering other DAWs I have tried. I would say that it may even be up to three or four times the performance as others.

I have also noticed that multitimbral synths like iPolysix and Yamaha Synth and Dr. Pad equally works great wth Cubasis and can have many tracks running at the same time.

I have not tried to run any audio tracks yet though.

I look forward to my ipad mini 2 now. This should boost performance even more (I hope). So if you like to wait to bounce tracks until it is absolutely necesarry like I do, I can highly recommend set ups like these.

I am curious about how iPad 3 and 4 manage in this respect, so plz share any performance reports if you have some.

Cheers

BTW: To sync Rebirth with Cubasis you have to activate your midi network by virtue of Genome because it can not sync directly to it's midi output. If you need further instructions, give a hint and I will explain.

October 31, 2013  | person_outline IncarnateX

@Incarnate that's amazing, can't quite believe you're doing all that on an iPad2!

Definitely +1 for Cubasis being the current best solution for this workflow.

And yes please for the explanation on Genome and Cubasis activating midi for Rebirth :)

October 31, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

@Baddcr. I am not sure I believe it myself but the secret is to use memory manager HD often to clean up RAM and of course you will have to close any unused apps in the background. Another thing: All voices apart from the chord stabs were monophonic. If you play them as poly sounds it will fail immediately.

Now to sync Rebirth:

Open Genome
Go to midi settings (upper right corner next to the midi light)
Go to midi (next to "general")
Go to network midi
Activate [your name]s iPad

Go back , Close Genome, and remove it from the background also

Set up your Rebirth as input and Cubasis as output in Audiobus
Open Rebirth and choose sync to the left
Set SLAVE: Session 1

Make a sequence, open Cubasis and you should be ready to go.

There are probably other apps that will only sync this way but I can not recall any specific right now.

Now my set up was a test that pushed my ipad to it's limits. If you can do with less synths than I ( for instance without iSEM that take a deal of the power), you should be quite safe.

Again: Download memory manager HD or another ram cleaner. It seems essential for this to work.

Cheers mate

October 31, 2013  | person_outline IncarnateX

Very interesting, thank you for taking the time to write this up - much appreciated :)

Going to check out the memory manager too, I have iPad4 and have often had lots of things running at once, so I'll try polyphony and see how I go.

The one thing I do notice when running lots of things at once is the audio quality drops slowly but surely the more things you add; it becomes important to start filtering off crossover frequencies to keep the clarity. This is the one area I am struggling a bit with on iPad generally - only FF's Pro-C in Auria has decent side chain compression which is resource intensive!

Cheers!!

October 31, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

Anthony Alves posted the following on the Auria Discussion Board:

I will be posting my videos on my A.I.R.Studio youtube site in the next day or so but so far here is some conclusions. I was able to load 7 inter apps all at the same time on 7 tracks while running Midi Pattern Sequencer in the background sending the midi note data to all the synths at once and Auria controlling the midi clock and not a glitch!!! Also ran all slots full in Audiobus and I used all the heavy synths like Nave, Magelan, iSem, while also running Midi Pattern sequencer in the background driving all the midi data and running Beatmachine locked up to midi clock from Auria and all recorded and played back in time to the metronome and synced well in Auria. All the while the cpu never went much above 25% and my memory reading stayed at full green most of the time. The iPad Air so far has been amazing. In video I rendered a 8 min picture in picture video in Pinnacle Studio in 2min34 sec.This used to take 8-10 mins on my iPad 4. So I have some videos to make and more tests to do in the area of plugins and mastering so I will get back to everyone with more info. cheers.


Mark Rufino made a short video of a comparison of the CPU load of Auria with the iPAD 2nd vs. 5th generation:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uz0F3YoYXI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2uz0F3YoYXI

November 02, 2013  | person_outline synthandson

Pretty much as expected then, that's excellent news - thanks for sharing @synthandson

That'll be the sound of my bank balance dropping significantly in the not too distant future then :))

November 03, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

I've been playing with the iPad 5 extensively over the weekend and have been really pleased with it. The jump from the iPad 3 to the iPad 5 is pretty dramatic. iOS 7 is fast and responsive on the new device. I've only encountered one significant bug in a music app. Some dynamic graphics were not showing up, which the developer believes is related to the different GPU on the iPad 5.

I am still worried about the future of the device. As has been noted here and elsewhere, 64-bit apps can take up to twice as much RAM, yet this only has the same RAM of a 32-bit iPad 3/4. We'll see how that pans out when apps are updated to take advantage of 64-bit processing.

The biggest advantage to the upgrade from the iPad 3 has been it not melting my hands. I've been so used to the iPad 3 becoming uncomfortably hot after use. I forgot that it wasn't supposed to do that! Also the slight drop in weight (0.4lbs/180g) is surprisingly noticeable.

Thanks for the report, Tim. Good to know. I've been wondering if it's time to upgrade my 3.

November 04, 2013  | person_outline Joe

I don't want to over-sell this. "Dramatic" may be a bit strong, but the performance improvement is definitely "Noticeable" If you're thinking about upgrading, this is a nice device. BUT if you're not already thinking about upgrading, I don't want to make anyone feel like they should! These things get expensive. Especially when you throw on another $100 for a cover and a USB-Lightning Adapter, and then another $100 of sales tax!

Hell, Apple seems to think iPad 2s are still worth $400, so it is hard to say an iPad 3 is out-dated!

I had to get a 64-bit device for my professional beta testing though, so this was a good excuse for me to upgrade!

To supplement Tim:
Remember that a RAM bottleneck is a RAM bottleneck is a RAM bottleneck…no matter how powerful a processor running your device.
RAM is the key of great performances as far as music production goes. The more instruments, audio tracks and effects you use at the same time, the more you need. Thus know your ram cleaners before you make any judgments about the performance of your present iPad. They can make a great difference.
And remember that the specs of the hardware do not compensate for the flaws of the software. It is cool that we now may be able to run several synths directly into Auria at the same time to make use of it’s decent effects. However, Auria still doesn’t have midi tracks, so you need a somewhat clumsy set up with e.g. midi patter sequencer running in the background. Hopefully they will add midi-tracks in a not too distant future by which it could resemble the excellent workflow of Cubasis.

And of course: Do you really need the extra power to make your music? A lot of electronic music is somewhat minimalistic compared to orchestral multisession and there is no reason to upgrade just to watch the CPU lower it’s efforts on the CPU bar.

I think we all know the kind of irrational urge to get the latest and most powerful gear, but I have also felt several regrets due to lack of practical perspectives like the ones above when upgrading my laptops.

Finally: Remember that if your music sucks on an iPad 2, it will highly likely still suck on an iPad Air.

Thus I am also still in doubt in this case, but the smaller and more handy design of the mini is something I have longed for and though I do not really “need” the extra power for my music, I will surely make use of it.

Cheers

November 04, 2013  | person_outline IncarnateX

IncarnateX wrote: "However, Auria still doesn’t have midi tracks, so you need a somewhat clumsy set up with e.g. midi patter sequencer running in the background"

The developer confirmed a month or two ago that a sequencer is part of the package, but won't reveal anything else until it is closer to completion.

I seem to remember the projected release being late this year to early next year. I'm not positive about that.

November 04, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

IncarnateX it depends on what your doing on ipad,i like to spend a evening with a beat going which is so restricting on ipad 2.Some synths i reckon ive still not even heard them properly yet and to be able to have 3,4, 5 slots in audiobus going with any app combination would be a dream come true instead of clicks,apps going dead,turning voices down and i wont even go into the problem with effect apps,Ipad 2 is a great music making tablet but its slowly dying if you want to keep up with whats happeing in the future as all ipads do.

November 04, 2013  | person_outline andre

Even after what i said just now i can wait,i can delete apps load files from audioshare onto usb sticks and wait to see what apple say when the big screen ipad comes out because as chrisG and Tim have pointed out the future of this device is really unknown with this same amount of ram as the others its a worry on longevity and that really matters to me as being most likely a part time worker from now on i cant afford to make a big mistake

November 04, 2013  | person_outline andre

IncarnateX I cant get dm1 to play with Isem with cubasis with any other app Isem wont have it at all,i dont have ios7 and wont at the moment but im amazed you can do that.

November 05, 2013  | person_outline andre

Hi Andre
It is Rebirth that I can sync to Cubasis not DM1. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me either. However you can control the pads from the piano roll editor in Cubais, though this is not quite the same, I know.

Cheers

November 05, 2013  | person_outline IncarnateX

Oops!
I think i misunderstood you Andre. It is iSem you have problems with? Well, it is not all sounds it will work with for me, some are quite heavy on the CPU. I use monophonic sounds with short releases and they work just fine. I can even have them running with iSems internal arpeggiator. Try to experiment with your sounds.

Cheers

November 05, 2013  | person_outline IncarnateX

@Andre
I have tried DM1 with iSem and did not succeed either. A lot of stutter. Until now those apps that have worked with iSem are magellan, Rebirth and Nanostudio (was able to run two synths the same way as with magellen in the sep up described earlier). I have yet a lot to try out though but i doubt I will find many as light on cpu as these are.

Cheers

November 07, 2013  | person_outline IncarnateX

IncarnateX I think the way round is to record separately and then sync them with loopy or another app but Isem is definately the worst app for using loads of cpu i guess,its sad as the bass sounds Isem makes are exceptional i think

November 07, 2013  | person_outline andre
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