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discchord v3.4: The Reckoning

This week I rolled out another major site update, but you may not have even noticed it. This was primarily a lot of behind the scenes improvements and optimizations. Frankly the site is already so heavily optimized that I doubt anyone besides me notices this stuff anymore. I'm just shaving milliseconds off load times at this point. However this update should be noticeable on mobile networks, because I focused on bandwidth optimization.

The update also added a few "duh, I should have been doing that all along" features. If you're a registered user, the Contact page it will now populate the name and email address with your name and email address.

Timmeon

A few weeks ago Patreon kicked off a couple of Nazis. These are the kinds of guys that wear "deplorable" as a badge of honor, but they are some truly vile dudes. This is a decision I can understand, because I've had to ban a couple of white nationalists here as well. Having Nazis on your site is embarrassing.

Unfortunately this was another instance of Patreon acting without thinking through the obvious repercussions. First the Nazi sympathizers left Patreon in protest. Then people sympathetic to the Nazi sympathizers also left. By the time Nazi sympathizer-sympathizer-sympathizers left, the protest began to take on a much wider demographic to include many Free Speech advocates.

Shit...

This is the second time Patreon have shot themselves in the foot. In both instances I've lost patrons. I'm not going to wait around for a third time, so I've developed an alternative. If you've ended your Patreon patronage for any reason, please consider becoming a Timmeon Patron! Timmeon Patrons get all of the same benefits as Patreon patrons, without any political baggage.

You'll find Timmeon at the bottom of the Support Discchord page, where you can subscribe via Credit Card or PayPal. I'm using payment processor Braintree by PayPal, so everything is very secure and no Credit Card information is ever stored here. Thanks to Pants of Death and Frozen Lonesome for helping me beta test!

The only benefit to using Timmeon instead of Patreon is that the site will immediately recognize you as a Patron. Patreon Patrons have to wait about an hour before the site picks up a new Patreon subscription. That's it. There's no reason to switch from Patreon to Timmeon unless you have a problem with Patreon.

With the loss of commissions from iTunes, my efforts are now entirely funded by the community. If you can help, please do! If you just feel like, "Hey that Tim guy sure works pretty hard. He should get some money for his time!" then please take this opportunity to join the list of site supporters!

One More Thing...

HotRock SupaJoint brought up a point I forgot to mention! If you want to do a one-time donation to the site without worrying about subscriptions, you can! As soon as you sign up as a Timmeon Patron it takes you to your profile page. This is to show you the controls for changing the amount, or canceling the subscription. So if you just want to do a one-time thing you can instantly and easily cancel the subscription! You will continue to enjoy Patron benefits for the next month, even with the subscription cancelled.

Reader Comments 30

I wonder if The Dead Kennedys faced similar issues.
January 11, 2019  | favorite_border Laarz
People in leading positions are in those positions because they are suposed to be good at seeing the big picture and avoiding traps like this!
January 11, 2019  | person_outline Ian
Why would dk , should would dk have to do with this at all? I don’t get it.
January 11, 2019  | person_outline Ian
Wow, I read this over twice before I got it, this is awesome! Does this mean you get a higher percent withless middle man fees?
January 11, 2019  | person_outline Ian
On January 11, 2019 - @Ian said:
Wow, I read this over twice before I got it, this is awesome! Does this mean you get a higher percent withless middle man fees?

Marginally... I mean yes, I am technically getting more of money through Timmeon than Patreon, but that shouldn't be a factor in anyone's decision over which method to use. The difference is negligible at this small scale, and I'm really just trading one middleman for another because Braintree has their own fees. There's no getting rid of the middlemen!
Since everyone is a Nazi these days, I haven't a clue what an actual Nazi is any more... Apart from perhaps someone with a funny moustache has has a dog with no nose which smells awful?

I'm for free speech 100%. But I haven't kicked Patreon off yet, even though what they're doing is a pretty damn Nazi thing to have done, seeing that real Nazis loathe both free speech and would love to shut down any opposition to them.

We've got the same problem here in Blighty. Jonathan Pie nails the current situation pretty damn well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RqAD8B39vA
Never donated cause I left after Milo was kicked off. If he’s a Nazi then I guess I’m a Nazi Sympathizer, although my leftie friends seem to be the ones bigoted towards Jews and Christians. I may donate to you through the new system. Even though I don’t like your let’s play style of videos I’m a fan of your authentic opinions and dedication to this site.
January 11, 2019  | person_outline Anoncauseeveryones naziaccusing
I dig the Jonathan Pie video, but somewhat disagree with his list of "not a nazi" actions. The term is definitely thrown around too much, and I'm just as responsible in this regard.

I've been contacted privately by some people who are confused by this post, so perhaps I didn't make it very clear. I really just wanted to say "Nazi sympathizer-sympathizer-sympathizers," because that's how I felt about some of the other people leaving Patreon. People were cancelling their Patreon accounts, due to other people leaving Patreon, due to other people leaving Patreon in protest of Patreon kicking off assholes. I think we can all agree, even Milo himself, with this characterization.

I'm personally ensconced in the Free Speech camp. I'm 100% with the ACLU, in that we need to protect the rights of everyone. Sometimes this includes NAMBLA and Nazis too. Rights belong to all of the people, all of the time. But I also get why Patreon did it. I'm not sure I even see this as a Free Speech issue. If people giving money to you is free speech then we're going down the same treacherous slope that brought us such gems as, "Money is speech, vis-a-vis Corporations are people."

In these ultra-divisive times I try to avoid politics, especially American politics, but we see the rise of nationalism globally. That means inevitably a lot of nationalists, and their sympathizers, are going to be reading here. This seems insane to me in a time when we are more connected globally than ever before imagined... but I don't think anyone has ever succeeded in changing anyone else's political views on the Internet. I'm not about to try.

Just don't say awful things here and we'll all get along. The nationalists that have been banned from here couldn't abide by that, saying particularly egregious things in the comments here. They were not banned because of their political views.
Funny, cuz when I be loggin onto the site this week I caut myself bein all like “Damn Discchord? Did ya change ya hair color or somethin, cuz ya be feelin jus a lil extra sexy fo some reason.” (If ya read that sexy wit a lil inflection, it doobie a lot better BTW.)

On a side note, I do wish Timmeon had a option fo a “one time donation” instead a jus “monthly”. I kno, ya want peeps wit that long vision, an I kno, I cud be all like “fill in the money, send it an try to remember to cancel befo the next chunk come out”, but ya kno Imma be all high an shit an forget to do that shit homie. Jus my 420¢. Thanks fo keepin afloat yo.
January 12, 2019  | person SupaJoint
"Just don't say awful things here and we'll all get along. "

Nail on head (to a point). I believe people should be free to express themselves whatever their political persuasion may swing. I've already been labelled elsewhere as an 'extremist far-left mainsplaining idiot', which I suppose is a definite improvement on being labelled a 'far-right neo-nazi penis', just for having an opinion that differed from the other person, whom they felt could not come back on my point to change my mind! Having strong opinions is one thing, but deliberately coming out with the ad hominem in particular to shut any opposition down is another- both left and right are equally capable of this.

Patreon on the other hand are acting like the self-elected silicon valley police. So are Facebook. And Twitter for that matter. It's wrong. Both Britain and America are supposed to be democracies and behaving like that certainly isn't democratic, it's simply a corporation acting in its own self interest, which is imo quite vile. I really do hope they see sense and pull their acts together.

You once stated, that if you 'ever brought politics to a party, you'd get thrown out'. Well I agree with that sentiment to a point too. I still believe discussing politics is important- although I don't think doing it on a blog that is dedicated to music production is the proper place, and so really should be avoided.

'Now go finger all your stuff and have a lot of fun doing it' as Jakob Haq so wonderfully keeps telling us. I couldn't agree more. X
Yeah, you don’t know what a Nazi is. I will not frequent your site anymore.
One of the tenents of conservativism is self regulation. Businesses and corporations are not necessarily democratically run unless they choose to do or follow government regulations that require the enforcement of democratic policies. This is actually a self regulation vs free speech issue, both of which are being touted by the right, although perhaps from different factions.
January 12, 2019  | favorite_border Laarz
On January 12, 2019 - @SupaJoint said:
On a side note, I do wish Timmeon had a option fo a “one time donation” instead a jus “monthly”. I kno, ya want peeps wit that long vision, an I kno, I cud be all like “fill in the money, send it an try to remember to cancel befo the next chunk come out”, but ya kno Imma be all high an shit an forget to do that shit homie. Jus my 420¢. Thanks fo keepin afloat yo.

Thanks for mentioning this! Timmeon can do this... kind of. I made it so that the Canceling (and amount changing) is as easy as possible. Once you sign up to be a Timmeon Patreon it takes you to the place where you can just click cancel immediately. You still get to support the site, and Patron benefits for that month, without worrying about forgetting a subscription.
Is everyone living under a rock. Nazis advocate mass murder. They want all jews and other groups eliminated. The nazi thing was strated by adolf hitler. He was a mass murderer. He organized the killing of 10 million people. Nazis worship him. This is not about free speech, its about not wanting to support anyone who wants to participate in ethnic cleansing. Whats wrong with everyone.
January 12, 2019  | person_outline Perry
95% of the free speech activists who ditch Patreon due to freedom of speech have been the typical phony free speech trolls who use free speech as a cover for spreading their disgusting ideas. People who abuse the privilege to peddle hatred and divisive propaganda.

So far, the biggest people who have taken the strongest stance, such as Dave Rubin (phony Koch funded fuckhead) and Jordan Peterson, the enforced monogamy guy, are people who make enough money from elsewhere that they can afford to stir up some shit in the name of "freedom of speech". Rally and rile up their base.

Just as an example, Dave Rubin is very much opposed to NFL players kneeling. Free speech activist Dave Rubin right there. He also sees socially liberal folks and proper leftists as suffering from a mental disorder. Classy guy. Fuck him and his crusade. His subreddit has long since been taken over by critics who used to be fans of his when he was more liberal, pre koch money and his shift towards the anti-sjw "intellectual dark web" outrage factory. His whole campaign against Patreon is in defense of Sargon of Akkad, a dude who is objectively a piece of shit and a pretend intellectual. Go to his subreddit if you want to laugh your ass off at a bonafide moron.

Jordan Peterson is infinitely worse. His hypocrisy about free speech is legendary as he sues pretty much anyone that makes him sad with words.

These two shitlords have a massive following of young sycophants, and that’s problematic for a bunch of reasons. In this case because they managed to, as you said, widen the controversy. They make it seem bigger than it is, and that influences common good folks who might not be savvy to the details. Just like Gamergate supposedly being about "ethics in journalism", this patreon debackle is supposedly about freedom of speech. It’s not. It’s about one of the fuckheads in the post gamergate neofascist offshoot bubble being banned. It’s about shitlord solidarity.

Good folks like yourselves get screwed in the process. Patreon has the right idea in that they want to clean up their platform, there’s just no good way of keeping it clean without squashing freedom of speech.

Also, no such thing as freedom of speech on private platforms. That’s why the Taliban and IS don’t get to advertise or peddle their shit on youtube etc. You’re protected from the gvt shutting down your freedom of speech. Google/facebook/twitter etc, they don’t give two shits, they are not beholden to those standards in the same way that your nearest supermarket is free to throw nazis the fuck outta the store with no reprecussions from the gvt.

Patreon is not a public space.

There is an argument to be made for nationalising these platforms to protect people, but that’s unlikely to happen. Nazis and fascists and extremists will always have to work from the fringes. We should be careful to not take their free speech nonsense as legitimate grievances. It’s false outrage designed to pull people in and create sympathy for the "poor white lads who only spread facts! Bohooo! The bell curve! The bell curve!"

Sorry.. just had to get it off my chest. False outrage is all well and good, but not when it fucks with good people’s earnest efforts.
January 12, 2019  | person_outline Datruth
The irony about fascists, nazis and free speech is that if they had their way the first thing they would get rid off is free speech.
I have never posted here but some of the comments above are incredibly lazy, beyond idiotic and so misleading that as someone who believes in equality and fairness I can no longer frequent this site, which is a shame.

I am leaving this comment so that people who may not be aware of the issues involved, and only see pop media hyperbole such as the ‘Datruth’s (cringe) comment have a more balanced and factual post they can research themselves to refer to besides the hyperbolic propaganda.

Faux liberals of today (generally middle class westerners) have taken up referring to and trying to silence anyone who challenges them or their ideas in increasingly extremist ways. This is a disingenuous attempt of unsustainable views to silence anything opposed, any dissenting voice, by lumping it all together as ‘nazi’ ‘far right’ etc when most of it is actually classically liberal. For example, datruth refers to Jordan Peterson as ‘the enforced monogamy guy’.

For anyone interested in reality as opposed to teenage rants, Jordan Peterson shot to prominence because in Canada they passed a law making it illegal not to use ‘gender pronouns’ (these are made up pronouns, of which there are myriad that young people are trying to force others to use to refer to them). This is his deal. He is, like me, on the record as saying he has no problem referring to a trans person using the pronouns of te sex they have transitioned to - he simply won’t do so because a law is forcing him to. It is an act of goodwill. And he also won’t use imaginary made up genders and pronouns (two spirits, xhe xe, se etc). So do you see how it’s easy to misrepresent his views as being transphobic when in fact he has always happily used trans peoples preferred pronouns as long as they are a biological sex of some sort not just something made up, and that it’s not this, butbte fact it’s been made ILLEGAL not to, and the kind of fascist policy making this opens up he protests. Of course fake liberals don’t like and can’t deal with anything approaching sophistication or that isn’t absolutist left soundbite ready hashtag ready so they scream nazi etc and he ends up getting banned from various groups. I would advise people to watch a few videos and actually listen to what is said by people.

datruth has like all fake liberals attempted to cherry pick and then frame in a completely reductionist way one thing, to respresent and denigrate the worth of this person. It is not contrary to free speech to sue people who make slanderous comments about you that can and do harm you professionally. It is contrary to claim to be a liberal, who believe in free speech and says that this needn’t be absolute or include hate speech, while criticising Jordan Peterson for doing just this, which is what datruth has done.

- Tim, you claim to be a free speech advocate (95% of whom, datruth describes as being motivated by hate speech) yet you happily and completely erroneously brand as ‘nazis’ two people who are obviously not in any way nazis. I am posting this comment not to argue or get involved in sided flaming etc, but in the genuine hope, that you are willing to do a bit of self exam and think about this - I have never known a self proclaimed modern liberal (I myself only ever voted liberal before I stopped voting due to ‘liberal’ Policies attitudes becoming increasingly fascistic) to examine their views but I think it’s fair to give people that chance where it seems possible. A lot of people who espouse leftist propaganda are simply a bit out of touch (I don’t mean any offence) and have not investigated more deeply the various issues and causes that are portrayed in such simplified and distorted ways by liberals, te alt right and overwhelmingly leftist mass media. So anyway here goes...

- Milo and Sargon, I find to be thoroughly contemptible as people. However this has nothing to do with either being a nazi or a fascist because neither are. Alt-right, yes, alt right are not nazis, I am not alt right I do not lie te alt right but the commentary is idiotic. For some to be dislikable it doesn’t ave to be nazi. The alt right aren’t even far right, they’re generally very very liberal conservatives, far more liberal in their views than the left, libertarian etc. personally I find libertarians as tedious and identity obsessed as modern liberals but I’m just trying to point out that these things are complex and this continual polarizing of stuff by fake liberals as far right bad and left good is imbecilic,

Milo, despite doing a lot of good in exposing some of the evil of modern third wave feminism and blm, is to me dislikable self aggrandising etc and the fact he plays up to it is not a saving grace. Sargon is just a smug autist but again, not remotely fascist. I disagree with most of his views that slip into alt right stuff but none of them are hate speech. Calling people nazis etc is.

The fact that a very small minority of actua; fascists on te right are used to tar the name of anyone who advocates free speech as datruth incredibly lazily and disingenuously does should deeply worry any true liberals. We have an atmosphere where if someone protests their free speech being impinged in they hav to fear being attacked demonised losing their job etc. the irony is that people defend third wave feminism with just this argument that you can use extremists to portray a whole group.

I see it mentioned as though a valid criticism or evidence that some of the sovereign are fascists that they are anti feminist. It is worthwhile educating yourself on the principles and realities of modern feminism. Gamergate were branded terrorist hate campaigners etc for ‘doxxing’ yet far more peoples personal addresses, school s]adresses of children etc have been released by feminists online for no reason other than disagreeing. I was on twitter for a while and saw te extremism that is normal for feminists nowadays every day. Feminist teach and campaign among many things that it is not possible to be sexist against men, that women who claim to have been raped are believed without any kind f due process or trial and the accused is incarcerated in this basis, and have created quota systems meaning that women are chosen ahead of men in education and employment due to their sex.

Feminist constantly decry the ‘structures of power’ that in reality they control. Almost all equality managers advisors etc are female. Anita Sarkeesian was appointed head of equality or some such on twitter and banned almost exclusively Male posters of prominence she didn’t like. She claimed hate speech. I remember her first post that went out across twitter after she was appointed, it began ‘dear boys’ and went on to address all Male gamers, and say that taking a screen shot of a computer animated female character without the consent of te player is ‘rape’. This is the kind of person ‘liberals’ believe in. It should also be noted Anita Sarkeesian crowd funded hundreds of thousands of pounds, to make YouTube short videos saying super Mario is hate speech for rescuing a princess. Yet it’s good when the roles are reversed. She charged something like 20, 000 dollars for an hour long speech at colleges on this highly academic matter. In the uk people like bahar mustafa are the standard. She was appointed head of equality at a prominent London university, she faced a vote of no confidence regarding allegations she was tweeting kill all white men, and she often posed with and hash tagged I bathe in Male tears etc. this is the person people are supposed to go to if they face inequality. She was then reinstated following her defence that ‘as a woman of colour I am incapable of being sexist or racist against white men’ which is supported by pop sociology in universities and taught to young poeple. It might be of interest that as a woman she pays less than half of what men pay for science degrees there, and as a non Caucasian woman she pays less than a quarter. I had a friend at that uni who killed himself which was how I initially found out about this context

Being opposed to groups like Black Lives Matter, and te blackamerican footballers kneeling is mentioned as though evidence of fascism. The exact opposite is true. Again, if you research black lives matter, you will find that they campaign to have news reports of white murder victims suppressed, they lie about police shooting statistics, after the French terror attacks in which white people were killed among all ethnic griups they posted en masses claiming it was a white conspiracy to monopolies the news and suppress the ‘real problem’ of black people being killed by police, and most amusingly... Black Lives Matter run a major campaign FOR racial segregation in classrooms. They believe black people should have their own classrooms.

Lastly, I am not offended on some moral level by the comments here, I’m just disgusted at the lack of integrity, and laziness of it. I have a large Jewish family and the idea that what my ancestors went through in any way is analogous to someone refusing to be legally obliged to use made up gender pronouns is something that can only come from te most privileged people on earth.

The pompous privileged lecturing, misinformation and sense f entitlement of datruth is just what I am accustomed to from the middle class western left. Everything he has said is incorrect factually, and agenda driven, which ironically he claims to speak against. A complete lack of integrity, self examination or any kind of humility, or genuine attempt to engage. It’s all identity politics and it’s laughable from adults rather than teenagers on tumblr posting pictures of their armpit hair and calling everything problematic. Problematic is an Orwellian word, used by very financially comfortable pseudo liberal westerners to describe things that aren’t in any way a problem except in challenging their worldviews. It’s no surprise to see it come up here.

I hope this helps any passers by and am sad to leave the site as I don’t believe the owner is a bad person just out of touch and a victim of a saturated propaganda media.
January 13, 2019  | person Juno
As someone who has never posted here before , I would like voice my agreement with Juno’s thoughtful and nuanced comments. The previous posts exhibit a stunning level of ignorance of political knowledge when it comes to what actually ideologies believe and the background to the patron ban and the persons involved in that ban and the response to it. Their are many places where you find decent balanced analysis of these issues on line, Twitter or the NYT are the last place you’ll find them.
January 13, 2019  | person_outline Tabinski
But I visit this site for all of the great info, news, knowledge & wisdom about music. Electronic & Electro-Acoustic music more specifically. For those in need of creating collateral damage, why choose to bludgeon something very unrelated & far downstream of the intended target? The concept of an actual related context is something that is ignored by many on the wild WWW. I definitely question the motives of those who choose to wage such questionable & indiscriminate campaigns. And I read it the same as those emails that insist that they want to send me lots of money, all they need is for me to give them my bank account# first.
As far as supporting Discchord, FWIW I am a Patreon supporter. Everyone is free to choose Patreon/Timmeon, etc., or not of course. We live in a time in which there is basically 1 of 2 paths to walk down. Personally I'm trying to focus on the path of building up & supporting people's positive efforts & actions, but many seem to prefer tearing down and attacking instead.
What did I just wake up to?

Black Lives wants segregation? Are you fucking kidding me? Now that you'll have so much free time from not reading this site, you can spend some of that fact checking your own nonsense. Here is their actual proposal. https://policy.m4bl.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Community-Control-of-Schools-Policy-Brief.pdf Their gripe is with the defunding of public schools in favor of the dubious for-profit charters that are popping up in poor communities. They would like that to stop. I read the whole thing and didn't find anything even remotely related to black only classrooms. I don't know which bullshit factory told you they did, but they have made a fool out of you. While you're clearing out discchord from your bookmarks you should probably take them out too.

Peterson doesn't have a problem with trans folks, but he has a problem with laws protecting them? Have you ever honestly heard anyone make some demand to be called a "Xhe" or whatever? No, of course not. Because that's nonsense. You accuse me of being a victim of propaganda, while you recite faithfully real Russian propaganda. This is exactly the sort of divisive made-up bullshit that Russia has been peddling on Facebook.

I'm unable to fact check your claims about Anita Sarkeesian's calling screenshots rape. Instead all of the Google results are examples of people threatening to rape and murder her on Twitter. It sounds like more made up nonsense and your willingness to believe in this is a poor reflection on you and your cause.

Saying Milo and the Alt. Right might not be actual Nazis is missing the point. The problem with the National Socialists was the Nationalism. No one is upset about the Nazi's Socialist efforts, like making the autobahn, but we're all fairly concerned about how Nationalism played out.
I consider myself a nationalist. I want good education, healthcare, job opportunities and fair rule of law for the citizens of this country FIRST; without regard to race, sex, gender identity, religion or original country of origin. Our country was founded by immigrants and I want immigration to continue but in a legal, sensible way. I have no use and total contempt for “no border / no illegal” types, people who put foreign agendas and non-citizens before our own. Nor do I have a need for, companies abusing H1B loopholes, outsourcing and offshore tax havens at the expense of our citizens. I don’t think any of this makes me a bad person. However, I pretty frequently hear the terms nationalist, xenophobe and racist being thrown around to describe my views. No opposing policy views are ever offered by these people, nor are any arguments about why my views are wrong.

You guys can continue to keep using ad hominem attacks and indiscriminate labels to describe the views of people you disagree with. Morally, I’m sure it makes you feel awesome. But try to stop for a minute and make sure you’re not becoming the thing you hate in the process.
January 13, 2019  | person_outline Anoncauseeveryones naziaccusing
On January 13, 2019 - @Anoncauseeveryones naziaccusing said:
No opposing policy views are ever offered by these people, nor are any arguments about why my views are wrong.

Those sound like sensible policies to me. The problem is with the people you are willing to associate with in order to achieve those goals. The reason it goes to ad hominem, "to the person", is the people in the Alt. Right are the problem. Milo is an asshole. That's not an ad hominem, that's observable fact. I'm an asshole too. It's fine. But Milo's friends are scary assholes with a much greater agenda than what you describe. If you ignore their other goals to achieve your own, then you make yourself an accessory to those other goals.

Let's flip this on it's head. This same line of thinking is exactly why I've never been able to vote for a Democrat. We may agree on many issues, but I strongly oppose quite a few of their tent poles. Democrats may have helped with the fight for marriage equality, and other gay rights, but I've never been willing to ignore their condescending nanny policies to advance my own agenda.

This is the problem with Partisanism. No free thinking person can possibly be free thinking and agree 100% with either camp. Partisian politics has made us ignore the fascism on both sides to advance our own causes.

While everyone is fighting over exactly how shitty they can be to Transgender kids, and who can and cannot avail themselves of which medical treatments, we have an economy on the brink of collapse. We passed Peak Jobs a few years ago. We just didn't notice it because those displaced workers became suicide statistics instead of unemployment statistics. 47% of U.S. jobs will be lost to automation in the next two decades. We aren't talking about automating flipping burgers. They can pay a migrant to do that for cheap. They want to automate the expensive white collar stuff, like Radiologists. Is now really the time to be worrying about our fucking borders?

How tall are they going to have to make that wall when all of the coastal communities in South America are displaced? The death and rising of our oceans will create famine and homelessness at an unprecedented scale globally. At least we scared off the Mexicans though. If we continue down this self-destructive path we're going to need to take their jobs in the fields.
After a few years of reading, I thought it was time I actively support you. It is pretty crappy that Apple took away the app commissions, especially considering that pretty much EVERY music app purchase I make is because you feature it on the site - along with the sales...one of my true daily reads, outside of my local and regional newspapers, reddit, and magazines on Press Reader. Thanks for all you do. Cheers!
January 13, 2019  | favorite_border jzn
On January 13, 2019 - @jzn said:
After a few years of reading, I thought it was time I actively support you. It is pretty crappy that Apple took away the app commissions, especially considering that pretty much EVERY music app purchase I make is because you feature it on the site - along with the sales...one of my true daily reads, outside of my local and regional newspapers, reddit, and magazines on Press Reader. Thanks for all you do. Cheers!

Thank you very much, jzn! I greatly appreciate it! All these political discussions were bringing me down.
January 13, 2019  | person_outline Tpx
Some pretty worrying (read, dangerously ill-informed) views on this thread. Thankfully, Tim’s response was suitably well articulated. Thanks for all you do!
January 13, 2019  | person distantanimals
Sorry/not sorry about setting Juno off. To be fair, I did press all the buttons of the average incel/anti sjw fanatic really hard. it was inevitable that someone had to pop up and defend the oppressed white male from librul feminazis and kneeling footballers.

By the way, the number of people who have faced consequences from the introduction of the gender pronoun law still sits squarely at zero. Meanwhile, conservative white boys have spoken of little else for three years. Literally a non issue that has kept these clowns busy for years..... There’s a reason for that.. There are adult people making good money off of debating teenagers in college on gender identity for the viewing pleasure of fellas with nothing but their skin colour to feel proud about. It stays relevant because conservative "champions" keep it relevant ... the second people stop caring about the horrors of having a law that no one cares about, the outrage merchants like rubin, kirk and peterson lose 80% of their "HONEST" income. Their handlers will drop them the second they outlive their usefulness. Just ask Milo. Dude is 2mill in the red after everyone dropped him after he outed himself as a NAMBLA sympathiser. They always burn themselves to the ground.

The outrage merchants stoke the fires because without them, there’s literally no reason for them to exist in the public space. We saw the same reactionary nutters become relevant in conservative fringes when Ellen came out two decades ago. They dwindled once people realized Ellen wasn’t going to ruin their lives. Dame Edna isn’t gonna fuck up your life. Literally a whole industry has grown out of fake outrage, and it keeps happening over and over.

I advice people to seek out ContraPoints on the youtubes if insight into this circus is something you want to expose yourself to. That goes double for you, Juno. All your arguments are stale and outdated. It is awkward to read for anyone who has been following the rise of the 1950s style hipster anti-feminists and the ever pathetic alt-right and its offshoots. All your arguments are talking points from libertarian organizations like turning point USA and Prager U(not a university, just a libertarian group funding youtubers and far right news) funded youtube channels/news sites.

By the way, I am not middle class. You righties have to stop believing that every enemy of the conservatives is somehow a member of the elite or the middle class. Lefties are almost exclusively working class. We are the ones who are actually fighting the elite whilst the right are busy fighting against the formidable threat of imaginary communism and militant feminism.

When all your enemies and all your causes are fabricated, you are definitely someone’s tool. Someone is using you, and you should be furious.
January 13, 2019  | person_outline Datruth
Tim: ‘I am unable to check your claims’... this just about sums you up. Convenient. If you are unable to check thing maybe you should stop talking about them? For your information, Anita Sarkeesian has accused Male gamers of being rapists on hundreds of occasions in speeches and online. She is part of the large pop sociology movement that teaches men cannot be victims of sexism and white peolle cannot be victims of racism. It’s how she makes a living. It’s ridiculous you are unaware of this. You just don’t like taking a stand against actual hatred because it’s not te kind that wins you friends in faux liberal circles. The amount of people who don’t even know te above and claim it’s some kind of fringe when it’s brought up when in reality is simply what sociology teaches young people is ridiculous and says everything about the real motivations of people who talk about equality but are unwilling to ever do any research or face uncomfortable truths. The world doesn’t exist to serve your sense of identity, and most of the things you say show you simply have no know,edge or experience in the area, of racism sexism etc, which I do.

The fact that you think no one tries to force people to use xe etc made up pronouns unfortunately shows how far removed you are from the reality of modern western culture. It has been made LEGALLY ENFORCABLE in Canada. That was the whole point. You and datruth keep talking like citizen smith about the man and fascists but when fascism actually raises its head you do nothing and in fact try to hide it. In the two major cities I have spent most of my life in the uk, this has happened to me and people I’ve known many many times. Perhaps you don’t know any trans people as I do, or don’t have any lgbt friends as I do and have over the years - it’s a bit difficult not to in one of those cities. But if you actually knew people in lgbt circles it wouldn’t are very long to come across people with that attitude.

Try doing some research on BLM, there’s no point addressing what you said as it is factually incorrect. They DO campaign for racial segregation. Look it up. Their second major campaign is for racially segregated classrooms in American schools. They believe black people should be taught in isolation. Whether you can accept that or not is insignicant - it’s simoly a fact - and only really says that you don’t want to face realities that don’t support your worldview/identity. When I was young I took a look at myself and my views and how many related to this. Ifnmodern pseudo liberals had an ounce of humility or maturity they’d do the same.

It might interest you to know that I and others will be informing via social media that this site is run by an extremist bigot who uses te term nazi to ‘erase’ the voice of anyone he doesn’t like the sound of. But that’s cool with you right, seeing as you think it’s fine to label people online.
Datruth, you have a huge tantrum online and I simply corrected you in a temperate way. It’s not interesting to me to hear a triggered hypocritical and childish bigot like yourself rigidly spouting hate. You’ve only embarrassed yourself as many people here have commented. You keep calling anyone who says things you don’t lie righties. The problem is... most of us are left wing. You however, have a classically far right wing, pro censorship, divisive mentality that revolves around demonising anyone who disagrees with you. That you think you’re liberal is a figment of your egotism.

Tim Webb, you have , sadly demonstrated yourself incapable of integrity. I gave you a chance to have a look at the ridiculous and libelous accusations you made which do nothing except serve to further your sense of cooked up moral outrage/identity/self idolatry. You know absolutely nothing about the matters of which you talk and they are important and deserve investigation. I imagine, being as out of touch as you are you must be somewhat bewildered that such a post as the one you made didn’t garner a bunch of brainless sycophantic backpatting and instead you have lost a large number of viewers. I’m sorry but you come across as an overgrown teenager. Perhaps you will now pretend that everyone who pointed out the disgusting and erroneous use of wild nazi accusations you made is also a ‘white nationalist’ (which btw doesn’t mean anything and is a portmanteau of two unrelated concepts)?

You are using people’s suffering to further your sense of outrage and identity and it’s truly pathetic.
January 15, 2019  | person Juno
Bloody hell, Juno, your forcing me to break my 'don't argue with pillocks on the internet rule'.

'Anita Sarkeesian has accused Male gamers of being rapists on hundreds of occasions in speeches and online' - please find ANY examples of this that don't pertain to male gamers LITERALLY threatening to rape her. If you threaten to rape someone, and are called a rapist, that seems a pretty fair description, no?

'the large pop sociology movement that teaches men cannot be victims of sexism and white peolle cannot be victims of racism' - just no. What you are describing is not a pop sociology movement, but actual philosophy/sociology, based upon and interpreting a long-standing academic discourse that has been developed over hundreds of years. Claims that men cannot be the victim of sexism, and white people cannot be the victims of racism, are based upon long-standing agreements as to what those terms do and can (contextually) mean. The whole point of academic discourse is to challenge existing ideas by reframing arguments as they relate to current narratives - which is exactly what this line of thought does. You are welcome to disagree - and in fact, academic discourse demands that someone does, because it is built on the evolution of thought. That you can only disagree by rubbishing such claims, rather than by coming to understand their position (which you evidently don't) and offering a counter-argument, is a fundamental weakness in your argument.

'what sociology teaches young people is ridiculous and says everything about the real motivations of people who talk about equality but are unwilling to ever do any research or face uncomfortable truths. The world doesn’t exist to serve your sense of identity, and most of the things you say show you simply have no knowledge or experience in the area, of racism sexism etc, which I do' - seriously, this whole sentence demonstrates you have no idea what you are arguing against. You seem to be conflating mainstream, populist left-wing soap-box arguments with an actual academic discourse - which is as ridiculous as a claim that Milo, or Hitler, represents all of right-wing thought, despite their populist tendencies.

' keep talking like citizen smith about the man and fascists but when fascism actually raises its head you do nothing and in fact try to hide it' - seriously - what does this mean? I can only assume that you have no idea what fascism is, or being generous, that you have taken one of its many strands, applied it out of context to make a point, and ignored all of the other aspects that make fascism what it is. Google is your friend.

' Perhaps you don’t know any trans people as I do, or don’t have any lgbt friends as I do and have over the years - it’s a bit difficult not to in one of those cities. But if you actually knew people in lgbt circles it wouldn’t are very long to come across people with that attitude' - again, and let me make this very clear - PEOPLE ASKING YOU TO RESPECT THEIR CHOSEN PRON-NOUN IS NOT FASCISM. IN ANY WAY. It is just called being polite.

'Try doing some research on BLM, there’s no point addressing what you said as it is factually incorrect. They DO campaign for racial segregation. Look it up. Their second major campaign is for racially segregated classrooms in American schools. They believe black people should be taught in isolation. Whether you can accept that or not is insignicant - it’s simoly a fact' - cool. If its fact, you can reference that, right? If by isolation, you mean suggesting there should be some form of safe space, or that black students should be able to attend meetings to discuss their issues without having to have white people attending, then you might have a point. Except none of those things amount to being 'taught in isolation'.

'It might interest you to know that I and others will be informing via social media that this site is run by an extremist bigot who uses te term nazi to ‘erase’ the voice of anyone he doesn’t like the sound of. But that’s cool with you right, seeing as you think it’s fine to label people online' - seriously, this didn't happen. I just re-read the whole thread. This didn't happen. Tim didn't erase anything. He just pointed out that Patreon kicked off some people who have been known to spout fairly extreme right-wing views, and have been photographed in the company of people who identify as Nazi's. Suggesting that people who hang around with people LITERALLY WEARING SWASTIKAS might be guilty by association seems reasonable even to you, surely?

Rant over. I feel much better, thanks.
January 15, 2019  | person_outline Distant Animals
Oh no, my integrity has been impugned! Heavens! How shall I possibly go on?

That was an informative rant, Juno, but not in the manner you intended. I think this thread is done. You guys are always free to troll me, but you're starting to have a go at each other and that's not cool.

Let us please leave it there.
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