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Rhism Vs Amidio: Epic Developer Drama

Pictured here is the public explosion of intense contention between Amidio and Rhism. Shit goes straight to 11 with the bombastic proclamation that Amidio will have to remove their OMGuitar and Futele apps from iTunes due to some complaint filed with Apple by Rhism. Amidio continues by laying out a declaration of war!

The subsequent war spanned many continents, 11 hours, and the Twitter feeds of thousands of innocent bystanders. I've assembled all of the relevant tweets; trying to group replies even when they are out of chronological order. Larger version here.

To give further context to this conflict, I contacted both of the developers via email.

Rhism's Adil Sherwani responded with a helpful synopsis of the dispute and a timeline of events.

"For starters, a summary of how app store keywords work:

  • Every app gets to specify 100 characters of (hidden from end users) keywords that determine which search terms the app shows up for
  • Apps are not allowed to use other app names in keywords (scroll down a bit or search for "other app names" on that linked page)
  • Developers can only change their keywords when they update their app, Apple reviews and approves these
  • However, Apple occasionally overlooks the "app name as keyword" misuse, and they have a standard web form for developers to report this misuse

Now the timeline:

May 11
my friend and guitarism graphic artist Ryan Hemeon emailed me that there were other apps he was seeing in the App Store on searching for guitarism. When I got home I tried it out and saw two additional apps - let's call the first one "XYZ Guitar" (to preserve anonymity) as well as OMGuitar on the search results. I emailed both developers asking them to remove guitarism from their keywords. Note also that this is the same day that OMGuitar v2.01 was released so I suspect this is when OMGuitar's keyword misuse started happening (though I don't search for my own app every day so it could have been happening since 2.0)

May 12
I heard back from the developer for XYZ, saying that they'll fix it in the next few days. Sure enough, a week later it was fixed. Done. Great. I sent him my thanks, wished him great success for his app, and moved on with my life. No hard feelings - this is a super-tough business and I don't blame people for trying whatever they can to make ends meet (but I do blame them when they refuse to comply with standard policy when requested)

May 13
Amidio replied saying that he's not using guitarism as a keyword and that OMGuitar doesn't show up for him when searching for guitarism. He then went on to say a bunch of other things that are better left forgotten (but I'm happy to respond to each of them if he brings them up). I replied asking him to re-check as it was definitely showing up for me (in the US) and Ryan (in Canada), but maybe it's a server delay issue, and maybe one of his developers did it without his knowing. He never replied to this email (and I've checked my junk mail too)

May 14
Futulele updated to v2.31 and now Futulele was also showing up under "guitarism" search results. Note the hubris - this is the very next day after he denied doing this. I emailed him again, asking him to re-check his keywords as Futulele is now also infringing. He never replied

May 16
By now I'd seen a clear 25% drop in my revenues (and I generally make next to nothing on this app, so this 25% is very important to me) so I emailed him again, asking him to reply and address these issues otherwise I'd have to report it to Apple as I didn't intend to just ignore the issue. Again, he never replied to this email

May 21
I posted a brief message on the AB forum guitarism thread asking folks outside the US/Canada to confirm if they were seeing other apps when searching for guitarism. Just wanted to give Amidio one last benefit of the doubt that this was a random occurrence in North America. I got confirmations from a bunch of folks that it was happening in the UK and Greece too

May 22
When I finally got done releasing the Triple Play app update yesterday, I decided to get back to this and take some action. I sent an email to Apple using their standard process to report keywords infringement. They sent an email to Amidio (CCing me) saying that I've reported an infringement, and the following key statement: "We look forward to receiving written assurance that your applications do not infringe Rhism LLC's rights, or that the parties are taking steps to promptly resolve the matter. Please keep us apprised of your progress." Pretty decent and polite, and I hoped that'd be enough for him to just do the right thing and put an end to this

May 23
I wake up to Twitter drama galore. I've lost most of my day on a pointless public spectacle that none of our customers care to see, when I should be working on features that customers have told me they want

So in short he's done something blatantly and objectively wrong, denied it until he couldn't deny it any more, and it's significantly impacting my ability to make a living on the one app I am working on full time (San Francisco is super-expensive, as you well know). Additionally, I'm planning a pretty large marketing push for guitarism later this year. If he doesn't fix his keywords he will, for free, benefit from 25% of that increased traffic, at my expense. This is fundamentally not right, not cool, and I will not stand for it."

- Adil Sherwani, Rhism

I have not received a reply from Amidio, despite an inquiry I made through their contact form over 12 hours ago. They did make an attempt to contact me through Twitter, but did not follow through by the time of this post. See update below.

All of this is pretty crazy. I'm actually amazed to learn that Apple prohibits using other app names as keywords because, as someone who spends a lot of time searching iTunes, I can say a hell of a lot of apps are doing it. On the one hand: rules are rules, and everyone should play by them. However, rules can and will be abused as Adil learned. Shortly after sent his response he sent a second email:

"And just when I thought this was winding down, 2 mins ago I got an email from Apple stating that Amidio is claiming I'm infringing on his copyright. The complaint: "The iPad version of this app blatantly copies and advertises the novel interface concept (overall handling, string position, method of chord input, chord label positions, device orientation) that we have first used in our app Futulele". I don't know whether to laugh out loud or hire a lawyer. There are so many apps that have chord buttons on the top-left of the iPad, never mind that I hadn't even seen or used Futulele until after releasing guitarism iPad support. This is getting seriously ridiculous, and ridiculously serious."

There is a bit of amusing irony in all of this though! Rhism's popular new IAP seems to share the same name as the TriplePlay, by guitar hardware manufacturer Fishman. Coincidence, or is Rhism using Fishman's keyword?

Update: After this article went live Amidio's Ilya Plavunov contacted me on Twitter saying he had sent a reply, and said that they were having mail server issues. He resent this reply from his personal Gmail account.

"The whole case lies deeper than the Twitter could indicate. The truth is that we're on the AppStore since the 2008, the very beginning, and all the recent AppStore changes over the past year lead to the decrease in sales of our apps, which is strange at least since the quantity of shipped iOS units rises. Now, as a small developer who is unable to afford massive advertisement budgets (in fact no advertising at all), we have to resort to all sorts of tricks in order to maintain at least some sales. AppStore as a market has become incredibly messed up and just wrong in some cases. For example, search for "Ukulele", you will come up with 10+ screens of garbage apps, with Futulele buried deep inside that pile. And there is no evident way to make it to the top, where the evidently lower-quality apps reside.

As you know, we have recently refined all our major apps (Seline, Mint.io, Futulele, OMGuitar), with the latter two being new apps introduced as free updates. Did that yield any positive sales results? Maybe just a little, but still absolutely not enough to run a decent quality software-making company. Not to mention the absolute lack of any positive reviews about the updates (just great, do we now have to beg for reviews inside the app?)

So I gave up tinkering with the keywords because that has nothing to do with the music app making and chose a 3rd party service to manage the keywords for us. And it turns out they did put the keyword "guitarism" for some languages in Futulele and OMGuitar updates. Frankly I didn't know that until I got the letter from Rhism. And at first I thought it was a scam. The keyword magicians then told me they thought "guitarism" was a dictionary word - so did I. Ok, no problem, I will change the words but as per the AppStore guidelines, you have to update the app in order to change them. And the updates have to bring new functionality, since I don't want the users to download 100+ mb of each app just to reveal nothing is changed.

Thus, the short answer is - the keyword incident indeed took place, I am very sorry for the inconvenience, it will be fixed after we submit the meaningful updates to OMGuitar and Futulele (possibly even today). The updates will contain new great instrument sounds which I've been recording and polishing intensively in the past few days.

Another thing is how the developer of Rhism behaved. After I told him that everything will be fixed soon and offered cooperation (like exchanging links and giving him access to our Amidio Remote SDK), after a few days he complained to Apple. Moreover, in a very strange way, he accused us of stealing 25% of his sales (it's a mystery to me how he calculated that). All that given that the iPad version of Guitarism happily uses a slightly modified interface concept of Futulele (which we didn't care about as long as he didn't impose any trouble). Not taking into account all the glorious sentences ("best sound, best interface" etc.) that he put into the description of his app (which I personally think is not a top-notch quality app at all).

I am not the one who likes to judge or debate, I just want to follow our chosen path at least in Summer and make Drumfire, Cycloop, Noise.io 2 - the truly professional workhorses that we are now focused on. We are making these apps on no budget, while our existing apps basically bring nearly-zero revenue due to absolutely vague reasons (everything was OK before Steve Jobs passed away) So when someone (who "borrowed" your interface ideas) tries to bully about stealing his sales afterwards, that just doesn't feel right :)"

- Ilya Plavunov, Amidio

Update 2: More drama unfolds as Rhism responds in a Public Letter to Amidio about their allegations of copyright infringement, including a well researched claim of prior art.

Buy Guitarism on iTunes: $2.99

 

Buy OMGuitar on iTunes: $0.99 (On Sale, from $5.99)


While probably unrelated to all of this, similar app Live Guitar is on sale. What the hell, let's throw that in here so regular reader Fessaboy doesn't feel left out!

Buy Live Guitar on iTunes: $2.99 (On Sale, from $4.99)


And while I'm at it, I might as well promote my latest track which is tangentially related, being a HardPsy battle hymm.

Buy Arctic Keys on iTunes: $4.99

 

Buy Sonograph on iTunes: $0.99

Reader Comments 62

Let me be the first to say (in this thread, I'm sure it has been said many times before)- fuck Amidio!

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

There's an iPhone app called Twang which you could throw into the mix too. Or not as the case may be. :-D

May 24, 2013  | person_outline MikiStrange

Meeeaaiiooowwww :)

What a dick. Change your keywords! I still won't look at your app, but do as I say!

Or don't.

F@ck it - bring on the more drama!

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Ism

Dd this Rhism dude quit his daytime job expecting to strike gold with some guitar app on iTunes or something? Sheesh...

May 24, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

All I know is Rhism is stand up guy, he has always been nothing but curtious and attentive to the needs of his user base. He and Marcos Alonso are my favorite iOS devs along with jonatan of audioshare , these people are above the board in the jobs they do and the way they carry themselves. I will not support amidio any more and I will encourage anybody I know with an ipad to not do so as well unless they apologize to Rhism for creating this mess and for stifling the progress of the guitarism app..... Btw guitarism is about to get 'midi in' and if amidio fuddles that up I will curse them forever !!!!!!!!!

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Kobamoto rin

Hey guys,

It turned out that the keyword incident took place because I got tired of tinkering with that and hired a 3rd party app promo service.

I am sorry for the inconvenience and this wil be fixed soon (exactly what I told Rhism, but he didn't stop there and emailed Apple).

To the haters: if you don't like our apps, just don't buy them. If you think that some other app is better, that's your opinion, I'm OK with that. But please refrain from the f-words in public. Anything you got to say, you can tell me in person, find me on Facebook - Ilya Plavunov

BTW I dislike the idea of having all this published.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Ilya (Amidio)

@chris , Rhism isn't the first person to have a dream and quit their day job and he won't be the last hopefully, else the majority of the innovations we love and use would not exist. Without the people willing to take a risk on their dreams the impact to the music/ artistic community would be immeasurable !

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Kobamoto rin

As long as Tim, the owner of this site, does not object, I'll continue with my policy of saying "Fuck" whenever I feel it it appropriate.

I'm sure you don't like the idea of all that being published, it really makes you look like an asshole...

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

Open letter to Ilya / Amidio regarding Futulele-Guitarism copyright claim http://rhism.com/ToAmidio.html

@ChrisG I never expected to strike gold. It's a tiny market. But that doesn't change the facts. Wrong is wrong.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Adil Sherwani

Um...you published all over Twitter...and never once said you'd fix it in the tweets, you actually fiercely denied it....

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Amidism

Ok Zymos, I'm sorry that something we made insults you so much. The positive side is that evidently you're one of the nicest people in the whole world :)

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Ilya (Amidio)

The Fishman TriplePlay twist is interesting. That's a registered trademark, so it's more than just keyword misuse. Will Rhism change the name, or keep stealing Fishman's revenue?

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Anonymous Troll

Fuck is an important part of the modern English language. I can see no reason not to use it. The many cases where people omit it are usually mere obfuscations. "F@$% you", still means the same thing, and hiding the characters does nothing to change that. Censorship seems childish and insincere. Just say what you mean.

Ohai Bullshit. Great open letter @adil. You shouldn't have had to waste a minute doing it but I'm glad you did.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Will

"Wrong is wrong" - Agreed. It's just that I've seen the I'm a indie dev-gotta pay my mortgage and feed my kids-card being used so much lately, and not just by you. It's just getting a bit old..thas all.

Btw, have this place seen 3 pages with comments yet? If not, we're gonna fucking make it happen this time!

May 24, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

"AppStore as a market has become incredibly messed up and just wrong in some cases. For example, search for "Ukulele", you will come up with 10+ screens of garbage apps, with Futulele buried deep inside that pile. And there is no evident way to make it to the top, where the evidently lower-quality apps reside."

I know when I search on my iPad you can sort search results by things like "popularity" and "ratings" which will indeed push apps to the top.

Also I have a hard time believing that a third party service would so obviously violate Apple policy, when it's their job to you know, not violate Apple policy. I mean come on, guitarism a dictionary word? Combine all that with apparent back tracking and "wishing this all wasn't published" and I don't know, looks pretty fucking bad to me. I mean... Wha da fuuuck.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Jesse

http://guitarism.net/

It's not that easy to think of new guitar related names I guess.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Bianca

IMHO LiveGuitar is the best by far the best of the bunch, 'nuff said.

Huzzah for @Fessaboy!!

No app pricing shenanigans or milking the user through IAPs...

Cheers,
h79

May 24, 2013  | person_outline hoyas79

'Seline' is the only app to date that i have paid for and then deleted from my ipad. Maybe the problem with sales is that the apps aren't good enough?

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Anonymouse

How anyone thinks this can be solved by public debate is beyond me.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Sebastian Dittmann

We are not here to "solve", only to gawk at the wreckage....

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

what was the expression again... related to another app... Vio it was... "pretty fucking stupid"

May 24, 2013  | person_outline hoyas79

Live guitar is good and the dev seems like a good guy, but I don't know what amidio is talking about saying omguitar is better than guitarism, omguitar is a complete mess and a massive distraction of an app. That app does to make you feel like you're making music, it makes you feel like you're being abducted by aliens. Guitarism is serene and easily accessible , has a great balance to it and is my go to guitar app!

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Kobamoto rin

I feel a little ashamed of my earlier comments. Put them down to unrelated excitement and my love of web based drama.

I am going to put on the cone of shame now :(

And for the record live guitar is the king. Guitarism sounds a lot better through jam up, and mint.io is fun if a little fiddly.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Ism

Lesson for Amidio: http://www.ksl.com/?sid=25279884&nid=1014

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Sean Ercanbrack

So funny... Amidio just tweeted screen shots of futelele ovelaid on top of Guitarism to prove guitarism copied it...

Seriously, it's like Magellan suing sunrizer for putting black and white piano keys at the lower edge of their synth app. How dare they!!??

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Hx

Whats the difference between a bucket of shit and amidio-i can play music with a bucket & theirs no IAPs

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Purple Goo

Good luck with that bucket! :D

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Ilya (Amidio)

Being serious this is a stupid argument,why 2 developers cant work things out civilized is beyond me,& your tracks cool by the way tim

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Purple Goo

@PurpleGoo 100% agree, this should have been resolved privately, as with the "XYZ Guitar" app

Didn't know about the Fishman thing until the IAP launched and someone mentioned it on Facebook. I'd asked folks on the Audiobus forum guitarism thread for suggestions on naming. Someone suggested Triple Play which I thought was smart, so I went with it. I'm pretty sure he didn't know about the Fishman thing either. Happy to change it if it's infringing.

My understanding of trademarks (and again, I Am Not A Lawyer) is that they are registered per category of good / service, so a website is not an app is not a music album (there is a music album called Guitarism on iTunes). So I may be wrong but I don't *think* the "guitarism" comparison applies. Not sure how to think of Triple Play - they are both "guitar midi" products, but still somewhat diferent. In any case if Fishman (or any of these folks) feel that they are being wronged I'm happy to chat with them and sort it out, changing whatever needs to be changed.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Adil Sherwani

Hmm, so Amidio is on a limited budget but solicits a third party service in light of decreasing app sales? I think most people will update an app even if it's just for bug fixes. I know I do, when I update the app I know what I am getting. I think GarageBand has some guitar sounds in it, I would go after Apple too. Seems like alot of this could have been avoided if the keyword issue had been addressed between developers rather than trying to take someone down on Twitter. When you go to a public forum and state that you have to remove apps because of another developer, it is going to draw attention and throw it all into the light (opinions and all). I think it would be much easier to address the keyword issue rather than declare a pointless war. Or I guess you could always make a guitar app that doesn't look like a guitar.

"We have to resort to all sorts of tricks in order to maintain at least some sales."

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Christan

I should probably stay out of this entirely, but.... this seems like a mountain is getting made out of a molehill. The keyword thing is kind of sketchy -- but if I Google for "Ford Focus," I get ads for "Volkswagen Jetta" and "Chevy Cruze" mixed in. On the spectrum of sketchy things I've seen in iTunes, this is pretty far down on the list.

A slight tweak of a standard professor joke....
"Q: Why are app store politics so vicious?"
"A: Because the stakes are so small!"

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Fessaboy/Secret Base Design

@Christian - the best observation by far - this is a (unintended??) publicity stunt, good news or bad news, what matters is that there are news, otherwise they're all forgotten.

It's interesting how people take sides on this app vs that app, all 3 apps have their strong points and weak points, again... IMHO Live Guitar is the best because it has no weakness, the BEST connectivity, albeit the worst graphics :D

I have all three apps (paid for each one). OMGuitar is overwhelming (seriously, what is it with the neon fetish?), and a bit of a pain to play - I like mint.IO (that is a cool app, still neon-y...). Guitarism sounds very nice, it's incredibly easy to pick up and play but there is a flaw, the "strings" aren't right for each chord (by default), this isn't that bad as the chords sound nice and in harmony but still... the strings setup is wrong. Live Guitar, amazing, you get about 16 chords combinations (if I'm not mistaken), the app is not as easy to pickup, but with little practice the app is incredibly responsive, has great connectivity with MIDI, Jack and audiobus well implemented, and no IAP in sight. As a plus, you get different guitar sounds VS the single guitar-like sound of Guitarism.

As for all this drama, its pretty fucking stupid.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline hoyas79

What happened to my little ponies : (

May 24, 2013  | person_outline MLP

Yeah... Amidio really does come out looking like massive jerks in this whole saga imo. I downloaded OMGuitar at the $0.99 just to see what it was all about (i use Guitarism a lot) It seems half decent, has some nice options, but at least when going for an acoustic sound i think Guitarism sounds better.On iPad Guitarism is definetely easier to play when going for a more nuanced performance IMO especially for us lefties.

But bock on topic... Amidio needs to take a few lessons in PR, this whole disaster could have been avoided if they would have handled things properly. Lucky for them, this will all fade into the backround noise in a few days, and it will be back to business as usal as long as they don't pull anything like this again anytime soon.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline FalkorSaurus

It's just silly that an app can't change its App Store keywords without recompiling and resubmitting.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Will

You call this epic? All this time an still only on the first page of comments?!

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

It is a lot to read! I think some people may need until tomorrow to get through it all.

I own all these guitar apps & they all have their good points but if you really look into what is really causing this problem its apples terrible new app store since the ios 6 update,its awful,you cant even find new releases apart from apples suggestions.I bet this problem would not of happened if they had left appstore like it was.In the past i could put guitar in search box & all guitar apps would appear.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Purple Goo

Well, if everyone did what I do then this would be a non issue . . . I buy pretty much all music creation apps, so all the developers get a share of my earned income … No one loses 25% of their fucking sales from me :)

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Marlene DeGrood

I was thinking that this situation was kind of messed up until I saw this:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/05/economist-explains-12

Commander Hadfield had to get permission to play "Space Oddity" while floating on the space station. Obviously, he got it, and I'm sure Bowie thought it was cool, but dang. The grief you have to go through to play a song in outer space. That's messed up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo&feature=youtu.be

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Fessaboy/Secret Base Design

Ilya, you do know this will all come back on you don't you? Maybe then you will start to be responsible, instead of just a moron. I can tell you this, it's much better to humble yourself than it is to be humbled. It's coming boy, don't say you weren't warned.

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Jesse

I have all of the above mentioned apps. I prefer to actually play a guitar, it's much easier.

Secret Base Design comes out of it all smelling like a rose, good for you FessaBoy. I'm going to go buy whatever apps you have I don't own now.

Great drama to start the weekend though. This is why this is my favorite website. : )

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Deltacaster

I'm with Purple Goo's last comment, the App Store category and search function is rubbish. It's so hard to keep up with new releases and I find myself searching on many terms so I really don't mind too much what each dev has put in their keywords. I find this whole thing tedious and boring so I wish these two devs would spend their energy on making great apps. I like some of the Amidio stuff and we could easily be debating why Guitarism has an IAP for MIDI :-)

May 24, 2013  | person_outline Trueyorky

agreed Purple Goo and Trueyorky, 100%!

in fact, I have a little theory that the real reason Forstall was let go is because he FUBAR'd the App Store. it's buggy, slow to load, impossible to navigate and a general bummer to use. my guess is that ALL developers have taken a hit because of it, if for no other reason that people don't use it as much as they did before iOS 6. talk about killing the golden goose, it boggles the mind...

May 25, 2013  | person_outline gatearray

Look guys, I do not claim to be an expert in PR or marketing, but what I do know for sure is that I am able to design - and I did - some pretty cool music apps. Understand that I do not make apps for profit, if that were my goal, I'd choose another way for sure. I can get emotional and carried away at some times as well as all of you. There's nothing wrong in being human. I respect and thank you for being my customers and digging something that has once come into my mind, that is a great feeling. But very few of you provide constructive feedback. "Feels like I'm abducted by aliens" is not constructive, for example. When a customer approaches and says "I need MINT.io to produce seamless loops"
- ok, it can be done, we're on it. For the guys who are so good at anonymous cursing, I'm happy to discuss my outrageous morality and business flaws in Facebook, if that makes your self-esteem better.

May 25, 2013  | person_outline Ilya (Amidio)

I'd like to suggest that everybody chill out a bit. I don't know Ilya, and in some respects we're competing for a share of a very small pie, but he's getting much more abuse than he deserves. There were some shenanigans with the keywords, and the dispute escalated in a stupid way. Let's de-stupidify this, and push the mountain back into a molehill. The keyword thing is not very high on my list of bad-things-I've-seen-in-the-app-store. Plus, if this really does become an issue, I'll have to take Katy-Perry's-Boobs out of my keyword list, and then I'll plunge to the bottom of the search results.

Developing apps needs to be fun, because there sure as hell isn't a lot of money in it (check the numbers if you're unclear on this). I'd like to see Ilya (and every other dev out there) continue to make interesting things. So let's hug it out, put together a quick jam on kumbaya, and move on.

(and just for Tim, who will recognize this!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPPN_gkj_gk

May 25, 2013  | person_outline Fessaboy/Secret Base Design

Fuck

Thank You, Tim

May 25, 2013  | person_outline Fretful7

Ah yes, I love that clip! Tarantino is such a great writer!

@Fessaboy Perfect clip - thanks for sharing! Fonzification FTW. We all make mistakes, we all lose our temper, we all say things we wish we could take back. And we all (you, me and Ilya) make great guitar apps. I'm talking with Ilya offline and we're sorting it out. Peace all.

May 25, 2013  | person_outline Adil Sherwani

Entertaining post Tim - nicely reported!

May 25, 2013  | person_outline Simon

I have to say, I find it hard to believe that Ilya gets a third party company to write his apps' keywords.

May 25, 2013  | person_outline Mike Grant

The mistake made here is that if you get into an online bust up and do it on a public forum, us drama lovers are going to want the drama to unfold and let the chips fall where they may. Nobody here is going to counsel sanity, most will chip in with opinion and comments subtly designed to keep the feud going, some will down right throw petrol on the fire so to speak. Nobody will come out of it looking good, that ship sailed when the tweets started! Although I do have respect for fessaboy for not taking the opportunity stir things up further and make his direct competition look even more like idiots.... Opportunity missed? :D lol

Classic discchord moment though. :)

May 25, 2013  | person_outline ISM

food brands regularly pay supermarkets for shelf space and optimum product placement. individuals and companies regularly try to game search engine algorithms for elevated link placement. high frequency traders place their operations nearest the stock exchanges they trade on to get millisecond advantages to execute buy and sell orders...etc., etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST86JM1RPl0

the cupertino reality distortion field is somewhat isolated from, but not immune to, the forces of nature. we've had 'plantedreviewsgate'. and now 'keywordgate'. what's next?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo8s5fuSwo8

May 25, 2013  | person_outline a1

Has anyone wondered whether these 2 devs came up with this as a plan to make some sales,I suppose amidio would not of done so well but i bet still sold apps since this "WAR".,Theirs that extremely expensive drum app i think called different drummer that started at about 300 dollars,dropped down twice since & i would not be surprised if it goes down to 5 or 10 dollars & lots of app buyers are going to think great i can buy a 300 dollar app for 5 dollars what a bargain,,just a thought on ideas on selling apps.

May 25, 2013  | person_outline Purple Goo

Don't give them ideas, Purple Goo! I can hear the mad cackles of nefarious marketeers!

In case it's not clear, I (Rhism) wasn't the one to take this public :) So none of this was part of my plan at least. Can't speak for Ilya but I doubt he wanted this end result either.

In case other app developers are considering using this as a marketing tactic: don't. Looking back at my sales from the last 2 days, this had absolutely no effect.

I've said this on the Audiobus forum many times and I'll say it again here. The music app community is fairly sophisticated (thanks to great blogs like discchord, palmsounds etc) and consists mostly of smart, reasonable people (you'd have to be, to buy apps in this price tier). Music app folks don't fall for silly PR tricks like online wars. Especially since both of our apps have been covered on discchord / palmsounds multiple times already.

May 25, 2013  | person_outline Adil Sherwani

Anyways I'm going offline for the long weekend, after a long week. Have a great weekend y'all

May 25, 2013  | person_outline Adil Sherwani

Shit i forgot the main reason i wrote on selling apps,I want to apologise to AMIDIO on bucket joke,I hope you were not too offended,I wish i could take it back,im sincerely sorry

May 25, 2013  | person_outline Purple Goo

While we're all feeling good, I thought I'd post a note that Soundbeam is currently free. I don't know the developer, don't have anything to do with the app, but I think it's a pretty darned slick oscilloscope and FFT. Fantastic retro Tektronix styling. It was at $2, which was a deal. For free, you should absolutely not miss it.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/soundbeam/id494982357?mt=8

I'm assuming that Tim is on vacation for the weekend, and didn't want anyone wandering through to miss this.

May 26, 2013  | person_outline Fessaboy/Secret Base Design

Okaaaaay... Just come back and read all this, glad the secs are string things out...

On the subject of apples search etc... Have a look at AppZapp - fast search, community ratings/reviews and price watch lists and alerts - all win!!!

Enjoy & happy bank holiday :)

May 26, 2013  | person_outline Steve

:( soundbeam no longer free. Boo missed it. Is it worth looking at?

May 26, 2013  | person_outline Ism
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