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Waldorf Nave Released!

After over a year in development, Waldorf and Tempo Rubato bring us the next Pro-level iOS synth! Nave is here and on sale!

Waldorf Nave iTunes Description:

The Nave sound engine includes two novel Wavetable oscillators, leaving every previous attempt in wavetable synthesis far behind. The spectrum of a sound can be transposed independently of its pitch. The waves are being rendered periodically to noisy. Especially sounds with an accent on formants can be reproduced easily, which made us integrate a speech synthesizer for the easy creation of wavetables.

The clearly structured UI invites both beginners and advanced users to experiment, and the large display of 
the iPad makes Wavetable creation and editing a blast. Besides Speech Synthesis, Wavetables can also be made by analysing audio files. Further stretching, rotating and shifting in spectral domain allows Wavetables to be further refined or distorted.

Features Per Voice:

  • Two independent advanced Wavetable Oscillators
  • Osc module with up to 8 oscillator Überosc, shapes sawtooth, triangle, PWM, white or pink noise
  • Two Ring Modulators
  • Multimode Filter with LP,BP and HP, each either 12 dB or 24 dB
  • 3 Envelopes
  • 2 LFO
  • 10 Modulation Matrix Entries
  • Drive with adjustable curve, depth and position


  • Modulation Effect with either Chorus, Flanger or Phaser
  • Delay
  • High Quality Reverb
  • Three band parametric Equalizer
  • Compressor

Additional Features (abridged):

  • Up to three X/Y Control Pads
  • Four Track Recorder with clip based editing
  • Sync to MIDI Clock or WIST
  • MIDI Learn
  • Audiobus compatible
  • Background Audio
  • Speech Synthesizer for Wavetables
  • 3D Wavetable Editing
  • Generation of Wavetables from external audio files
  • BeatMaker & Sonoma Audio Copy / Paste Support
  • Patch Management with unlimited user banks and categories

System Requirements:

  • iOS 6 or higher
  • iPad 2 or higher

Buy Waldorf Nave on iTunes: $11.99 (On Sale, from $19.99)

We all know Tempo Rubato's Rolf Wöhrmann writes elegant and processor efficient code, from his long history with NLog, but just for confirmation readers are already reporting that it is indeed running fine on iPad 2s! Andre commented below that his iPad 2 is running Nave, Funkbox, and Echopad in Audiobus just fine! I think I hear iPad 5 sales plummeting from 3 months away.

Reader Comments 130

Ha ha! Got it. A very good day to play. Now, if only there were something like a two minute programming tutorial video to get me started... ;)

June 13, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

wow, only $12 that's an amazing deal, instant buy!!! :)))

June 13, 2013  | person_outline gatearray

Installing... :)

Happy days, can't believe the price! Bargain of the year so far?

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Steve


June 13, 2013  | person_outline hoyas79

Just picked this up. Could not resist at $12. I would LOVE to see Discchord do a video review similar to what your did with Grain Science. You do great reviews/walkthroughs!

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Robert N. Mullen

Ipad 2 users,Ive got funkbox playing nave with echopad in effects & recording with audioshare,So ipad 2 users good days

June 13, 2013  | person_outline IAP

Oh... My.... God!

I'm lost already... This is incredible, every aspect is so beautifully worked out!

This is a true work of love and passion, gongratulations to the Waldorf crew, this is going to keep me happy for years to come :)

Running perfectly on iPad4!

I'm blown away...

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Steve


June 13, 2013  | person_outline Anonymouse

Ohhhhh... Yeah... Read y'all later. MUCH later. I'm going to go off and form an inappropriate relationship with Nave now which is going to be highly disturbing. Just sayin'

New cheesy/painfully obvious slogan: "Don't be a Knave – get Nave!"

June 13, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

So, my first thought after 5 minutes playing was, this is the Maggelan of 2013. It did not fail any expectations and actually I felt quite good for not having to purchase any additional formant type apps that emulate voices :) I mean... I am nave and I'm a synth :) how cool is that.

After 10 minutes I created an engine rev sound :) will happily place a sample in soundcloud.

Cheers, and enjoy nave. This, animoog and Magellan pretty much make up the 3 best synths around.

Now this leaves nlog in a weird spot,...


June 13, 2013  | person_outline Hoyas79

Fucking awesome synth!

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Jeff

obviously you can create any kind of genre with this app but just out of curiosity what type of music does one think of when considering this app, iow what would a typical nave users music look like?

June 13, 2013  | person_outline kid pocalypse

aaaaaaaaaaand now I need one of the new iConnectivity boxes. This is going to replace a few plugin instruments.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline odoyle

It's very nice.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline ISM

A glass of wine and Nave; a perfect evening! Thank you Tempo Rubato and Waldorf!

June 13, 2013  | person_outline frejahel

@kid pocalypse – I don't believe there will be a typical Nave user's genre, after hearing the vastly different ways that people use the same synths. For example: Rush, Stevie Wonder, Gary Numan, Snoop Dog, Britney Spears, Porcupine Tree, Black Eyed Peas, and Nine Inch Nails use some of the same Moog synths (or samples from those synths) in their music, with vastly different results. I think the same will be true for Nave. That's just my own subjective opinion, of course.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

"What type of music does one think of when considering this app?"

The only type that matters: dubstep.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Ian Copeland

God what a waste of $12, I'm going to try and get a refund from Apple, for the first time ever! Crap interface, terrible uninspiring sounds...

Psych- this is one of the greatest apps ever!!

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

@kid pocalypse - music is what you make it. Since we are all unique, there is no reason for us all to use stuff in the same way. Tip: to make your music sound different and fresh, do not use the same type of sounds everyone uses within say a particular genre. Go your own way. Nave is a versatile synth. Experiment.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Medo

WOW Im lost for words & only scrapped the surface,Ive got a great track going in audiobus with Nave,Glitchbreaks and Turnado.Anyone with ipad 2 just keep midi settings to just what you need & you should be fine,The only time ive run into any problem is when first loading certain apps into audiobus with Nave but once its playing everything is fine.I most certainly have a new favourite synth thankyou Rolf-Nlog & Waldolf.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline IAP

to all, yes thank you for your responses, I wasn't asking a philosophical question, I was just curious what type of artist would lean towards this type of synth you know like there is a definite lean when you think of massive. Not trying to put the synth in a box as much as just trying to figure out it's general appeal....... I know how I'm going to use it already :)

June 13, 2013  | person_outline kid pocalypse

To Kid Pocalypse if you heard the music i was making im not sure the word unique would arise from peoples mouths.But i totally understand what your saying,I have a thing about not using factory presets-i use them to learn how to make that sound e.t.c,I think the best way to learn how to use a synth is to start at default setting & go from there it worked for me.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline IAP

Nave does not connect to my Alesis IODock. It is visible as an option but I cannot select it. Anyone else having this problem? Thoughts?

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Steve

Wow! Blown away by this app. Only been playing around with it for about 15 minutes, but am already amazed at the depth and ease of use. Sometimes synths can have depth but be overwhelming and hard to use, and other times they can be a bit more user friendly but also lacking in the types of sound you can squeeze from them. Nave appears to have struck a great balance.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Jesse

This looks like a great synth app, but I have a question.

I already own, Animoog, Magellan, iMS20, and Sunrizer. How does Nave stand out from those synths? Thanks.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Sean

My iPad 2 can't seem to handle 2-3 short tracks in the built in 4 track plus the synth, more then a couple of voices/keys and the audio tracks start dropping out. How does it handle on iPad 4, any drop outs?

June 13, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

Hey Steve, just noticed a comment over at Synthtopia about someone using it with the iodock, so at least it is possible....

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

anyone reccomend any good wavetable synthesis tutorials?

June 13, 2013  | person_outline alege

Sean, this is a great complement to ask those apps mentioned. If you owned PPG synth apps, then I'd wait for a formal review comparing both apps. As such, I can recommend nave without thinking twice. I would still recommend Addictive Synth and launchkey.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Hoyas79

PPG wavemapper was my fav synth about 6 hours ago,which uses a simpler interface different to this,PPG wavegenerator is probably closer but that user a complicated routing way which i not sure would help lots,i would print out manual for this personally.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline IAP

Hoyas79 - Thanks for the response, will buy Nave today.

I've been thinking about Addictive Synth for awhile now, may consider that one as well. And as Launchkey is currently FREE in the App Store, that was a no-brainer download.

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Sean

The iPad is by far the best hardware keyboard I have! Especially now!

June 13, 2013  | person_outline mikefeq

I did a couple of tutorials related to wavetables, alege.

ECPM #21: Understanding Wavetables - uses Animoog, not hugely relevant but a good place to start!

PPG WaveGenerator - This is an advanced tutorial specifically for WaveGenerator, but this focuses on wavetable synthesis.

@Zymos Cheerrs, will have a look...

I'm way to tired to even focus on the letter here, but I've finally managed to sit down with Nave and start messing with some of the controls... this is what happened:


This thing is wild! :)

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Steve

@alege, there's only really one thing that you need to know about Wavetable synthesis to get you going if you already understand conventional waveform oscillators. In their simplest form they are a square wave, triangle, sine then all the other wiggly shapes you often see in oscillation type selector windows. Wave table synthesis still follows the same principle, you are oscillating a signal along a wave path; the difference is that you can also move across a 3d space in which the waveform changes (that's the pretty coloured picture) where the red line is is the current path your oscillator is following! Similar is a waveform in 2d where the wave doesn't change but you can move the start point. Think about this and the fact that you can also oscillate this movement across the wavetable and you're most of the way there...

Sorry, don't know where that came from!

Have fun :)

June 13, 2013  | person_outline Steve

Gear acquisition syndrome in full effect. Purchased happily, even though I know nothing about wave based synthesis. I will second heat everyone is saying, though - I vote that Tim makes a review / tutorial in his unique style.

Nave is, by the way, completely living up to the hype. Between this and Yonac's Galileo organ synth, it has been a crazy awesome week.

June 14, 2013  | person_outline cXe

Using this for a few hours now and don't regret my purchase. Can see that there's a lot of power in there. Lots of fun. That said, also running into a few shortcomings. Only mentioning them here to see if perhaps they're device specific. I'm on iPad 3 and it's a little sluggish to load patches and switch screens. That's frustrating, but no deal breaker. Biggest problem I've encountered so far is when using the blades. If I start at the base of a blade and drag the Y up I can then eventually drag the Y back down to zero things out. BUT if I begin mid-blade with a higher initial Y value I can never quite zero things before the blade is released at a low of maybe 10% when my finger leaves the screen. Is this something others are experiencing on other versions of the iPad?

June 14, 2013  | person_outline CAS3000

I've been using this all day. It is crazy stupid good.

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Fessaboy/Secret Base Design

Any reason I shouldn't update to iOS 6?

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Nique

Anyone getting any crackling. I had figure running and playing a few keys , crackle, removed figure and ok. Preset by sonic mayhem-bio mechanical oscillation has a crackle in the attack. Running ipad4. Blown away by these presets

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Trevor


The slowish page loading thing straightens itself out after the app is first loaded and you switch pages a few times, try it! Regaridng the other stuff, don't forget this is a v1 release, and an amaizng one at that! There will be timely updates fixing any issues that arise, count on it! :)

June 14, 2013  | person_outline gatearray


I see Nave has a 5 star rating in the App Store, which is well-deserved as we can all agree!

However, this might be an appropriate time to remind everyone about writing your glowing reviews in the App Store itself, something I think we are all guilty of NOT doing enough for synths we love.

Great reviews entice others who don't visit discchord (banish the thought!) to take the plunge and discover what we already know. It only takes a moment, and with positive reviews come more sales, and more sales reward devs who work like dogs to make awesome shit we love for cheap. Indeed, I have a self-serving interest in seeing these guys succeed and be rewarded for their efforts—. I want more amazing apps from folks who are clearly über-talented! Yes, that German pun was intended. :)

June 14, 2013  | person_outline gatearray

@steve. Works fine with my iodock. You do have to turn it on and turn midi notes in or out on.

Can't see how to set a midi Chanel though and also it seems to ignore the scale and chord settings which is a bit of a pita, unless there's something I'm missing

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Bianca

Still playing with this and still enjoying it but running into more issues along the lines of the blades one I mentioned up above. For example, if, starting with your finger on the midpoint dot of the pitchbend wheel, you very quickly move up and down about an inch along that Y axis you'll reach and hear the entirety of the bend at both ends as you'd expect. But, starting in the same center position, if you attempt to bend slower via moving your finger very slowly up or down the screen it often doesn't reach the entire bend you heard before even once you've moved several inches away nearing the top or bottom of the screen. Have found myself sliding off the usable portion of the screen in an attempt to reach that full octave bend only to have the wheel and sound snap back once I did. Again, just curious if this is device specific to those of us on iPad 3s. Curious if those of you on 4s or 2s are having the same problem.

June 14, 2013  | person_outline CAS3000

The pitch wheel has the same behavior on my ipad4. If I move the wheel slowly and finger reaches the top of screen, wheel has rotated 75% of the way, however without removing my finger, by going back and moving faster up I get all the way to the next octave. Maybe this was intentional to get better accuracy.

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Trevor

Yea the pitch and mod wheel behaves differently depending on how fast you move/slide your finger. I hope an options comes along that allows you to have it behave more"static" like in most other iOS synths.

June 14, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

I was having so much fun with this, crafting this super interesting pad that sounded like haunted electricity (but in a subtle way). I just need to tweak the envelopes a tad.... and then crash.

Everything is gone.

So sad right now. That was over an hour of work. Apparently Nave is not saving its state, and will revert to default when launched again, so save and save often! It is pretty damn impressive, you can do everything from pretty to clanging or something in between, but Nave is not without bugs. I also encountered a situation where the audio just completely died and the app needed to be closed and relaunched.

@Bianca - Thanks. I am using my MiniBrute as the midi source and it normally powers any synth/app on channel one which is selected in the MB or All. I know the MB is sending midi as other apps work, so I'll have to keep testing to figure out why Nave sees the dock, but won't connect. I also sent a screen shot to Waldorf support and I'll see if the respond.

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Steve

@ Bianca - Got it now. Thanks for the notes on tip. I feel silly as I kept trying to select the dock but it was not clear that I had to turn on the notes. Much appreciated!

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Steve

I was so tired last night I didn't even realise Ztmos wasn't talking to me, I just vaguely thought what's that about?

Sorry Steve!

I was going to do this anyway but to avoid further confusion I'll start posting as Baddcr - the random collection of letters I stumbled on when I created my SoundCloud account :)


June 14, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

First impressions: crazy, crazy good. This is way too powerful to have obtained for twelve bucks. (Don't tell Waldorf.) :-)

Thanks to the graphs, I think I'm finally getting a handle on wave table synthesis, which has eluded me for years.

More later!

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Joe

Apparently a friend knocked on my door last night couldnt get a answer & on last knock heard me shout- Im not in,Smitematter got this spot on its a beast of a synth,I have no midi probs at all,its all to do with how high you have settings with ipad 2 anyway.This makes sounds i know i cant make with anything else,other synths could well have better sound quality but this has taken ios synths to a whole new level

June 14, 2013  | person_outline IAP

Anyone added fart sounds,drums & swearing,the talking quite good,samples of drums e.t.c are more interesting- im sad they have not kept the slider as part of a patch as that can make some fantastic sounds instead of ribbons & keyboard.It is possible ive not found how to keep slider in your patch,nothing in manual as far as i can see.

June 14, 2013  | person_outline IAP

@Tim - first rule of computing - SAVE - second rule of computing - TURN OFF AND ON AGAIN :)

Think on the bright side - you'll get a nicer patch the second-third time around ;)

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Hoyas79

@Trevor I get the same cracking noise in the ramp up of the biomechanical oscillator patch. Also running iPad2, cheers

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Hoyas79

This is an insane deal for $12. I'm definitely a newb when it comes to the waveform synthesis stuff, but i've tweaked a few presets and have been amazed at the sounds this thing generates.

Only cons so far are the random audio shut-off bug that Tim mentioned previously, and the lack of efficient export functions. Limiting it to exporting via iTunes is incredibly frustrating when i have come up with something great and am not in front of my computer. An email/soundcloud/audiocopy export option would be fantastic.

June 14, 2013  | person_outline David

@David: there are plenty of export functions! if you recorded something in the virtual tape machine, just double- tap on the recorded audio, and up comes a menu where you can choose to 'open in another app', 'audiocopy',...
it's a little bit hidden but it's there. i recommend to check out the manual also if you look for specific details.

wow this synth is unbelievable!

June 14, 2013  | person_outline synthandson

@david - it seems to have copy/paste though looks like you might have to go track at a time as opposed to the mixdown.

June 14, 2013  | person_outline Joe

...the sheer tonnage of 'undertoneage' is an astonishing thing – all those weaving, evolving, diving and breaching elements that seem to have a mysterious purpose all their own, yet they are perfectly in confluence with the tones at the fore. Food and sleep have become abstract and intangible concerns. I am so happy to be living in the ascendant age of abundant, affordable synthesis – the age of iPad!

With enough tweaking of Nave, one of us is going to discover the "God particle" before the quantum physicists do. I just know it. I feel like I've gone down the auditory rabbit hole.

June 15, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

The combination of the Mod Matrix and the loop modes on Envelopes has been an endless source of awesome for me this morning! My favorite result was sending the free envelope through the mod matrix at the filter envelope, and then screwing with the looping modes on both or either.

No crashes or audio cut-outs at all today, so it may have just been my iPad acting up yesterday. Either way I am saving often! Rolf says autosave is on the todo list.

We had our first jam with it last night, and erm into the morning, to be honest, I can't remember anything about what I was actually doing but it was a lot of fun :-D

No crashes yet on iPad4!

June 15, 2013  | person_outline Steve

the actual speech synthesis is trippy. no vocoder. the formants must be preloaded in the type menu. just type and, you are nave, or bob's your uncle, or whatever. not covered in the manual, so here

June 15, 2013  | person_outline a1

You can also use audiocopy to add your own samples and clips to be converted into wavetables, it's a whole "nother level of depth once you start messing around with the wave view and the "tools" button. :)

June 15, 2013  | person_outline gatearray

This is probably a silly question but can you mix and match with the PPG wave table synths?

June 15, 2013  | person_outline Bianca

@Bianca the answer seems to be no with regard to dragging and dropping a wavetable from wavegenerator into nave. i tried it through itunes file sharing and the wavetable didn't show up in the nave import window. the file types are: .wts for wavegenerator, and .wtb for nave, so they're probably native to each app.
easy to copy and paste a sample from one to the other though, but there's not much point beyond further tweaking.

June 15, 2013  | person_outline a1

@a1 thanks, shame though.

June 15, 2013  | person_outline Bianca

I've been going through the preset patches (lots of them, generally pretty darned cool), and something struck me as odd. Very very few of them seem to be useful for chords or intervals. There's just too much going on with most of them for two notes to sound good together.

With conventional instruments (piano, guitar, brass), there's only slight variation in tone as the note evolves (usually frequencies dropping out), and a gradual decay in volume. You can put a couple of the notes together (with standard chord construction), and the frequencies mesh nicely, and you wind up with a rich, complex sound. The "controlled" nature of the base sound lets you construct minor chords, 7ths, suspensions, inversions, all kinds of cool stuff. If you look at songs by the Beatles, for example, they employ really interesting chord progressions -- the songs just wouldn't sound the same if you had to go a single note at a time. You can play a Beatles tune on a piano, guitar, whatever -- and it'll sound wonderful because of the chords.

When I'm playing with a synth, a single note can get me interested -- Nave is really impressive, and I'm not trying to bash it. But when I sit down to actually do something with music, I find myself going to simpler tones (Thumbjam, BS-16i, and the Korg iPolySix has some nice things too). I've got an ocean of synth apps, but only a handful of them make it into my music.

Anyone else run into this? Synths that sound incredible when they're on their own, but that don't play nice with other tones?

June 15, 2013  | person_outline Fessaboy/Secret Base Design

Ah yes, that is a big challenge! Some go so far as to say the entire sub-classes of synths will not fit in a mix at all with other instruments.

It is a real problem for some, but if you design your sound to not be completely crazy it can work in some great and new ways. I cover that in... ECPM21 I think... The wavetable one with Animoog. I'm on my phone or I'd post it. Specifically for chords that video will very much apply here, and offer important guidelines to playing intervals on complex synths.

Failing all that though, some creative and aggressive EQing is how the DubStep producers get Massive and other wave synths to work in professional settings.

Every part has to have it's own space in the frequency spectrum, stereo field, and/or timeline or you'll end up with nothing but mud. It's not only true for synths. I spent a few years mixing FOH for a very large gospel band at the House of Blues. Even though they were all fantastic musicians and singers, by the time they were all going it was just too much sound and would have been cacophony without assigning each player a tiny slice of the frequency spectrum, and to a lesser degree the stereo field (being that it was a live room). I also had to bring individuals in and out of 'focus' over time so that they all got a chance to be heard. The results were heavenly (pun intended). If you approach synths with the same kind of strategy, it works out fine.

June 16, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

+1 ZenLizard...

It's also fairly easy to reduce the complexity of the sounds in Nave, the little mixer on the front panel is great for this and for live mixing of the sound elements too. Reduce the complexity and then reintroduce it at different stages in the progression of the song.same goes for the filters

Some of the sounds make great risers or drops, they don't have to be playing all the time.

Also, it's perfectly possible just to use two 'instruments' - some drums and just one of the big synths to create some fab sounds :) less is more! Nave sounds great with iElectribe - try to tune the drum synth to Nave ;)

June 16, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

Also, it's perfectly possible just to use two 'instruments' - some drums and just one of the big synths to create some fab sounds :) less is more!

Silence is an often forgotten or even ignored musical element.

June 16, 2013  | person_outline Jesse

Really good discussion here. Seems like the presets in Nave, like in a lot of other products from synths to guitar processors to whatever, were aimed more at showing off the synth's capabilities rather than being used as a bread and butter type of patch. That is cool because it gives you lots of things to go deconstruct and see how the synth actually works. One thing I noticed is that a lot of the presets don't even use the wave table synths but just the super wave osc with some fx and modulations in the matrix.. Interesting...

In rock music, you see a lot of 4 piece groups. While there may be a little competition between the guitar and vocals and the drums and bass, for the most part, each instrument has its own slice of the frequency spectrum to play in. Add in a synth which is capable of covering the entire frequency spectrum at any volume, and now things get complicated. :-)

Nave can definitely make those sounds that are less complex, usable for chords, and that can sit in a mix. One thing I like about it is that as I become familiar with it, it seems very well laid out, and relatively easy to program. I'm starting to be able to get close to the sound I'm looking for pretty quickly.

Have I mentioned that I love the "drive" section of this thing? Really nicely done. I've lost a couple of hours just in that little box.

June 16, 2013  | person_outline Joe

@Fessaboy- Yeah, I hear ya. a box full of harmonics and overtones that's hard to sort. and the line between them is about to be further blurred.
that said, the app is still a handy tool to have in the box if you take the time to tweak it. presets can be used though, came across this yesterday.

June 16, 2013  | person_outline a1

@Jesse - oh yeah!

Silence isn't the absence of sound; it's the noise that all sounds come from and return to!

If music is maths, silence is aftermath... and premath - tangible and very real!

The silence is deafening!

June 16, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr


I read your post 3 times, I think I get where you're comming from, but isn't this the case where specific instruments are used for specific type of music?

You can go from a Vampire Weekend sound to Depeche Mode to Massive Attack to Nine Inch Nails where you almost always find a(some) synth instrument(s) there. A small synth "riff" note by note is somewhere on those songs and it sounds nice almost always.

Then you have a whole type of music which is 99% synth (maybe just pads and leads).

I agree with you, that chords are harder to come by with most synth patches, but that is the beauty of nave and other synths like magellan, iP6, iMS20 and the like, you tweak them just enough that you can do chord progressions and get your tune.

If you can, listen to "Daft Punk - Contact", I believe the 13th track in their latest album R.A.M., after about 1,5 minutes or so, you should hear a "melody" which has a neat chord progression :)

My 0.02 EUR,

June 16, 2013  | person_outline hoyas79

+1 for most of what's been said -- again, I'm not trying to bash nave, it really is pretty darned impressive. It just struck me as a bit weird; I've been playing with a Fishman TriplePlay MIDI controller (yay, new toy! super awesome!), and have not run across many patches where an interval sounds good, much less a full chord. It seems like most of the patches are designed to sound amazing monophonically (and they do), but each note is a mile-wide sonic freight train, running right through the center of a mix.

On the spectrum of synthy sounds, the nave patches seem way out at one end, with Magellan in the middle, and classic Vangelis (or Daft Punk) at the other. Nave seems powerful enough to do pretty much anything; the factory presets just seem biased towards "busy" sounds.

June 16, 2013  | person_outline Fessaboy/Secret Base Design

LOVE IT!!!! :D

June 16, 2013  | person_outline Tom


Playing the Nave on its own in chord mode / restricted scale with the blades is stunning, the chord progressions work perfectly every single bladestroke and there's plenty to choose from - obviously!

I can see how you would run into a lot of trouble if you we're trying to play a lead synth part over an already established song using nave by flicking through the presets - that's not going to work in a lot of cases - is this what you're doing?

June 16, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

I cant believe with this amazing synth your talking about the presets or should say patches,Ive only heard the first 1 to check audiobus with nave & ipad 2,listened to the percussion & drums ones to get a idea of what the waves can produce on this synth & that was it.I have already got 72 patches,added my own drums,wicked sounds of all sorts.Put synth in init mode & make the sounds you need for whatever your using or doing
the possibilities are endless from simple lead sounds to incredible springy electrical effects to crazy vocoder voices,drums & ive only had about 6 hours max on this synth so far,I simply just feel sadness when a synth of this power gets conversations on factory patches

June 17, 2013  | person_outline IAP

I would love to see a site where the user community could share patches for this and other iOS music apps. I enjoy making my own patches, but to Fessaboy's point (I think), its not for everyone, and even for those who have the time, skill, and experience for sound design, it's not what you always want to do. Sometimes, I just want to create a piece of music, and having to go create the sound I want is a whole different modus operandi that can be disruptive to that songcrafting process. There are times when I want to go quickly find a sound that's very close to what I'm hearing in my head so as not to lose sight of the idea. Even preset-hunting can be a distraction in the creative process, especially when sounds are distributed across a number of synths with different levels of "goodness" in their categorization systems.

And then other the other side of the coin, there are times when I just love experimineting with a synth. And sometimes I'll come up with a really nice program that ultimately never gets used in any music that I write. It'd be cool if someone found a use for it!

Dunno what it would take to get something like that off the ground. I've seen lots of fails for these types of sites. KVR seems to have a decent one going for the VST world... Guessing it would have to have a really beefy initial seed, and an existing site with a good user base would help. OK, I am way off topic now.

June 17, 2013  | person_outline Joe

Hmm, presets have their place as Joe said. Bt I also agree that the most joy to be had from this is by developing your own. You don't even really need to know what re doing - just mess around with the settings, read the manual and naturally over time you will get more and more knowledge and skills. That's the beauty of this kind of thing.

Re. Site for sharing community, great idea, I'd love to see this too! That's a lot of work for someone though. How would it be financed? Annual subscription?

June 17, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

i agree im shit at making tracks but my brother reckons i good at presets & it would be fun to exchange presets,A warning to ipad 2 users if youve been working on a sound for a while & decide to change to say wood or metal wave save the sound 1st.Nave can crash when choosing different waves & your lose the sound you were working on,& if this happens turn nave of properly & then back on,if you dont the crashes become regular.Ive lost a few sounds before i worked out where crashes happen

June 17, 2013  | person_outline IAP

My background is a mix of brass instruments, classical guitar, and a little bit of piano -- the sound tweaking range for these is pretty small, and I've never put too much time into it. For me, the "music" is in the chords, progressions, rhythms. The sound of an instrument is a way to deliver a song, not the song itself. I look at synths as a way to get a bit more diversity in the sound, but I don't want them to take over completely. To make a car analogy -- some people really like getting under the hood to tune and tinker (and the world absolutely needs people who do that); I'd rather have a pro do my engine work, and spend my time thinking of places to drive.

In many ways, the more complex a sound is, the more restrictive it is -- if I want to have a Dsus2 chord, I can get that to happen with sine waves (it'll be bland, but it will work); with a complex sound, the chord turns into pure noise. What I think has struck me with nave is that while going through presets, I kept hearing things that sounded amazing on their own, but that I couldn't use. I get that feeling with some patches on some synths, but it felt extreme with nave. I'm sure nave can do the sorts of sounds that I'd like to use, but if I don't have to make them myself, that would make me happy!

@Tim -- maybe add a patch exchange feature to Discchord? I'd love to have something where there's a Soundcloud sample of a patch, plus a link to the patch itself -- sort of like the Magellan scary sound contest, but open ended. A freesound.org for synth patches... That would be really handy....

June 17, 2013  | person_outline Fessaboy/Secret Base Design

Yea going through the wavetables tends to crash Nave sometimes (on iPad 2), like it's not clearing the previously loaded wavetables from the RAM when going through them.

June 17, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

I guess that no one wants to pay for this...?

I'd do it, and do it very well, but I need to make that work (and trust me it is a lot of work) pay so that I can keep a roof over my head, eat, pay bills etc...

If the community can't come together and work out a respectful and mutually agreed protocol for payment for services like this, then you're left with waiting for either a very generous donation of time and effort from someone who doesn't need payment or taking advantage of someone who is willing to take a risk in an environment where the people are very reluctant to part with even small amounts of cash and are very small in number. Unfortunately I fit into neither of those categories - the sums just don't add up!

For example the iOSMusician site is all but asleep, after all the effort the guy put into the app database, is he raring to go to make the site better and devote lots more time to it? Looks like no, and I fully expect the reason is precisely because of the amount of work involved and the level of return on that investment and that he's tired from doing a day job which does pay the bills. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising, I fully understand this and think its completely fair enough, I may be wrong of course... But it doesn't look like it from here and I think it's a shame.

Another idea... what if you could sell your patches and take a cut of the sales?

Ok, we are well off topic now -my apologies! :))

June 17, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

@Baddcr - concerning the selling of patches

that's what the sunside audio guys do, in fact, anyone can make their own patches and sell them online

by anyone I mean inspired people with the know how and the time

and by sell them I mean, actually building the hype, the reputation and still manage to convince others to try and buy

It's not easy...

For some time I've been wondering if discchord should have a Forum, on the one hand there are a few blog posts that generate dozens of interesting comments (others not even 1) that deserve proper indexing and searching, on the other hand, it means more moderation, bandwidth and operating costs. It's up to @Tim of course.

June 17, 2013  | person_outline hoyas79

Thanks for the reply Hoyas you're absolutely right!

I run several online businesses and know what's involved in producing content, tutorials, running the site, designing graphics etc... and over the last few weeks, since the discussion on the devobots article, I've started wondering if there is some way I can use these skills to produce something for the iOS community.

Yes, anyone can sell something online, but it's a heady mix of skills - being able to produce everything involved in this process from website design, programming, shopping cart integration, marketing, administration, graphics, etc... and the ability to produce great synth patches, tutorials, reviews! Not easy or quick!

Maybe I should take the risk... I guess the way to do it would be to start small and slowly build according to demand. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who would be up for creating content for a share in the profits.. In the interest of equality and fairness I'd go 50/50 on anything.. I've got the web dev skills - you got the content?

June 17, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

Facebook is free and everyone can create a free Dropbox (or any other cloud) account for free and use as storage for presets. I mean if we wanna keep it all free lol...FB is a bitch to use, but could be a starting point tho before wasting cash on a preset sharing site for iOS that no one will end up using

June 17, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

I've considered both a preset site and the forum idea, but have decided against both for different reasons.

I spent a lot of time on the forum and explored some options. I even had a good name for it: disccourse. However, there are already a number of iOS Music forums, and most of them go entirely unused. It just wouldn't be worth the hassle of trying to moderate it because I imagine the vast majority of posts would be from spammers and bots. That's not to say that it won't ever happen, that is a pretty fucking clever name, but it isn't a priority in my current schedule.

For preset sharing there are some huge technical and cost hurdles. Designing a site that lets people upload and share content requires some serious back-end code, and in order to host that kind of back-end you'll have to have a dedicated server. That is expensive, but a site that's moderately popular could possibly pay for itself. Unfortunately the dedicated server payment model in conjunction with our very niche area of interest means that a site like that would have a tiny sweet spot on traffic. Too little and you can't attract advertisers, too much and you can't reasonably charge the advertisers as much as you would have to in order to pay for the extra bandwidth. There really are only so many developers paying for advertising, and they do not have huge budgets. The amount of money you can actually make on an iOS site is very finite, no matter how popular it is. Like here! I haven't adjusted the advertising rates in ages, even though the daily uniques are 3x more than when I set the rates last year.

Obviously an entirely commercial system would be much different. I could knock something like that together on a low-cost Squarespace site in week. This would require a lot of man-hours to maintain though, since you've got to collect/curate/clean all the submissions. That is just not something I'm interested in pursuing.

@Fessaboy- to your point, and to articulate the one i failed to make above, trying to construct chords or chord progressions on any synth patch/tone in which the harmonics don't necessarily fade at the rate,and in the order that they tend to on a traditional instrument, is pretty much a no-go. worse still if there are non-harmonic overtones present. way too much going on.

@Tim- published and circulated 'patch sheets' (templates) were the old school solution. we're just too accustomed to instant gratification.

June 17, 2013  | person_outline a1

Well, there is nothing like trying. At first it should be free IMHO anyway....

I think, we can and should start cheaply, using @ChrisG cloud idea, we can setup a public Dropbox shared folder with a simple folder structure (by application name), then have some sort of file name convention for the... Name of the patches.

Two or three of us, on different time zones I'm at WEST right now (GMT+1), to moderate submissions to a shared gmail account, which we would place in the public Dropbox folder.

From there the sky is the limit :) hehehe. We could have voting, discussion, and multiple users updating and refining a patch.

Two limitations:
- I have quite a few music apps, but for sure not nearly as many as others in this forum, so I can't really test them all :) but this is solvable
- testing is one thing, evaluating is another, and one really nice sounding trash compactor bit crushed sound is somebody's delight and someone else's infernal nightmare, so I guess, we could use soundcloud, gather some feedback and only upload the consensus

Why do we need this consensus, assuming we get enough users to actually appreciate this effort or to contribute with presets, if we don't evaluate and filter submissions, we could end up with something that provides no value.

So to recap.
- 3 or more in different timezones to receive patches, export them to soundcloud
- after reviewing feedback, upload them to a central public Dropbox and file them accordingly
- share them with @Tim :) and the guy from Palmsounds ;) who is tireless in his endless stream of updates
- run this for a few months
- make or break

If we succeed then we should go with Baddcr idea and actually build a site, paste some ecommerce stuff (is ecommerce oldskool?) and try to monetize, I think some will understand, some will not, but hey, that's economy 101...

But I digress, this is the general idea, please share your comments and please, if anyone wants to take the next step, I'm more than willing to join :)


June 17, 2013  | person_outline Hoyas79

I'm a bit sad you've decided against a forum, Tim....

June 17, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

Re: Fessaboy/Secret Base Design wrote: "...In many ways, the more complex a sound is, the more restrictive it is..."

I would even say "In ALL ways, the more complex a sound is, the more restrictive it is". I hadn't spent a lot of time going through the presets until your first comment about them prompted me to do so. You weren't kidding – most of the preset patches are "showcase sounds", which certainly have their uses, but are no where near as versatile as patches with less complexity and/or movement. Good thing Nave is also great for simpler, yet still rich and pleasing sounds which chord up quite nicely.

@ Baddcr – I'd be happy to provide content: patches, articles, graphics, whatever. I think you should keep more than 50%, though, due to the fact that you will have overhead costs and the lion's share of the work. If this idea gets going, I can send you a list of the iOS synths that I create patches for, along with samples. I wouldn't require any compensation (though I won't refuse payment if things turn out profitable). :)

June 17, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

"Dispatch." Just sayin, Tim, just sayin....

June 17, 2013  | person_outline Fessaboy/Secret Base Design

RE: Discourse

Gotta say, I very much like the idea of a "Discourse" forum here, as I think it could potentially serve many functions. You could have sections for patches (not hosting, just links), songs people make with iOS, videos, random crap, etc.

The comment section here almost already serves as a forum of sorts, and it's pretty active as is. I know for me this is the only blog/forum for iPad music apps that I visit on a regular basis, as it's the only one I've found worth frequenting (not saying there aren't others, just that I haven't found any).

As for moderation and maintenance, yeah that can be a drawback. There's got to be a way though. You might be able to find people to volunteer their time, or maybe you could give them some incentive, like a free hat! Anyways, I don't know enough about putting together such a venture to really speak on it, but I do like the idea.

June 17, 2013  | person_outline Jesse

No pressure to do one thing or another is intended by this post, but I do believe that if anyone (or anyones) were to create this forum/patch_exchange, then having it advertised and linked to on discchord would be enough to get a lot of traffic there. It would be "like" discchord having the forum without Mr. Webb having to expend any resources to host, maintain, and moderate it. In exchange, discchord could get free advertisement and links back to discchord.

I did the webmaster gig once, and I will never do it again – for me, it was a thankless, twenty-four hours, seven days a week job, and it was a DRAG. I can sympathize with you not wanting to do it, Mr. Webb.

June 18, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

Why can't there just be a place to post up patches that you've made, a description of the patch and an audio sample, if you limit it to those things then nobody has to do allot of work because the work is done by whomever wants to share a patch, I don't think it should be a commercial venture either. If the descriptions are accurate, the audio examples are brief, and the patches are good then it will grow on its own and the payment will be the content itself...... Don't want to knock anyone's hustle but I remember when kvr was not the mess that it is now.

June 18, 2013  | person_outline Kobamoto rin

@ Fessaboy/Secret Base Design, By the way, I have begun creating a bank of "chord friendly" Nave patches. If you would like, I can send it to you when I am finished, or put it in DropBox and send you the link.

June 18, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard


dispatch :) sounds better than dis...preset LOL

June 18, 2013  | person_outline hoyas79

For those who think these things are simple, they are absolutely not! If you don't understand why, then I suggest you try for yourself ;)

Ok, I will do it, I have a few ideas and will be writing these down and sharing with those who are interested in getting this off the ground, give me a couple of days to get this together!

Re Disccourse - surely that should be Disccurse given our penchant for profanity? :-D

June 18, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

@Baddcr – Not simple at all, but don't let anyone... disccourage you.

Too far? Is this horse dead yet?

June 18, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

Re: Kobamoto rin wrote: "...payment will be the content itself..."

It doesn't particularly matter to me if it were to be a commercial venture or not, but the likelihood is that a very small percentage of people would be creating nearly all of the patches, while a large percentage would be downloading them without creating any, so the content would not provide any incentive to the creators in your suggested scenario.

There would, of course, be those who would create and upload patches just because they enjoy creating them. I don't believe that would last for very long.

June 18, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

this will probably be relevant for anyone considering the patch bank/exchange scenario.

June 18, 2013  | person_outline a1

@ zen L , I see your point. I guess I'm always looking for the road of least resistance / go with the flow so to say or in other words I probably believe more in giving when not expecting anything in return, only for the sake that its hard to quantify values between exchanges for instance, what if only 3 of you design patches but 300 of the rest of us use your patches but don't design not because we design better patches than the other 3 but cause were not really into designing, and maybe if we all did design patches it might make it a chore to find the good ones cause most of us my really suck at it and the you'd wish we hadn't made any patches lol ......... Hey zen I don't even know what I'm saying anymore but there is a point in there somewhere I promise.

On another note which do you guys find a more fun interface to design patches on, Nave or PPG wavemapper?

June 18, 2013  | person_outline Kobamoto rin

@Kobamoto rin

LOL, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Nave. :)

June 18, 2013  | person_outline gatearray

Could you say why? Now I'm not talking about which is the more capable synth, it just looks kind of like the ppg has a more fun looking interface , I don't have either yet this is why I'm asking. It's a little hard to put my finger on it but from the videos it looks like the ppg interface has more of a fun factor to it, while nave has a higher quality.
So it's 1-0 nave so far

June 18, 2013  | person_outline Kobamoto rin

The PPG interfaces suck big time. No accounting for taste, but for me, there's nothing fun about them, they are hardly even functional.
I've got some good sounds out of WaveMapper, but WaveGenerator was a waste of money. JMO, or course....

June 18, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

I've considered making a patch sharing site myself but without getting developer buy in for 'open in' from safari... meh. Who wants to use a computer to browse and download patches? Better yet, a given app should be able to browse available online presets directly (like jamup or sunrizer). Indeed, for it to be really fun/useful a user should also be able to send patches to the site directly from within a given app as well. The site I was imagining would be a 'web service'/API for app developers (similar to soundcloud) with a front end that end users could also browse - either in app or via browser (also similar to soundcloud).

Only way I could imagine paying for it would be a subscription model. Freemium wouldn't work because there would be too few users. Advertising wouldn't work because most people would use it in app. Oh yeah, subscription models suck. And, I can't imagine many developers wanting to take the time to integrate a paid subscription API into their app. Ho hum. If anyone wants to give me $10,000, I'll build it**. You get developer buy in, figure out how to make it pay for itself and maintain it. :)

@tim if you decide to go for it, you don't need a 'dedicated server' per se. You need a Rails (or similar) app running on Heroku (or similar). That way you can pay to scale up as needed (but generally free to start).

** KVR was a small forum until the makers of that rack mount VST thingy bought it. Very different model - using a site to advertise a physical product. Indeed, they didn't buy the site - they bought the audience (and got the site with it!). The site got its own legs after a while but that was because they had a pretty decent infusion of development dollars to grow and maintain it.

June 18, 2013  | person_outline Will

As member #2000 something, it never felt like we were an audience "sold" to Muse, and Receptor is still an infinitesimal part of KVR.
That's from a member's POV...maybe behind the scenes it was totally different....

June 19, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

Zymos I was talking about the wavemapper interface, it sure looks fun to me but I haven't used it myself yet, so for you nave's is more fun?

June 19, 2013  | person_outline Kobamoto rin

@will, sure, but there's more than one way to skin a cat!

Subscription models don't have to suck and I run a few online businesses that follow this model with varying success - one in particular is doing pretty well - it all comes down to sense of value and actual cost, if these are high/low enough respectively, then it can and does work! Of course ultimately it's up to the community and how much understanding they have, the ones who get it i.e. how much work it is and how much cost is involved, have no problem at all I've found!

Fully agree with your assessment of the patch sharing process, but as it's all we have at the moment and that, as you rightly say would be a huge undertaking, we will just go with what we have and see where we get to!

Ive been very busy and I'm about half way though sorting this community sharing sales site out, watch this space!

I have listened to everything everyone has said, and feel that as a community we _can_ achieve this and I can give you all a lot of what you're asking, if it doesn't work out, then well so be it - at least we tried hey :)

June 19, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

@Kobamoto rin

The PPGs, especially WaveGenerator, have a bizarre parameter methodology. I do like the icon/map interface on WaveMapper, but the pages that are "under the hood" are full of arbitrary restrictions that make no sense to me. Everything on WaveMapper starts to sound the same if all you are doing is rearranging the icons and modifying the map, so the "under the hood" part really matters.

Nave is so well laid out that it is definitely more fun to program.

June 19, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

@Kobamoto rin

I forgot to add that a big part of what makes a synth fun to program is the resulting sound: the variety as well as the quality. Nave outshines any other wave table synth I've ever used. But then, I've never had a collection of hardware synths, so I can't include those.

June 19, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

ZenLizard answered your question for me. There isn't much that is fun about the PPG apps. The Nave interface is thoughtfully designed and easy to use.
If you like the sounds that the others make, then you'll probably put up with a crappy interface- don't let me dissuade you, some people seem to just love the PPG apps. But my personal opinion is that Nave is better in every way.

June 19, 2013  | person_outline Zymos

Three pages and and 115 comments. This is now officially the world's largest anti-Disco rally, and the most comments any post has had on this site. I'm actually glad it wasn't one of my OpEds or rants that hit that record.

Thanks for that guys I appreciate the share.

June 19, 2013  | person_outline Kobamoto rin

I'm really starting to loose hours in Nave every time I open it and noones around, never had to recharge my iPad twice in a day before. But gotta say Nave is actually the first synth I'm making presets from scratch with. I've made lots of presets in other synths but it has always been either by tweaking an existing preset or using some kind of randomize/generate preset function to get started. With Nave I actually use that boring "Init" button, build and learn as I go, make my own wavetables etc. And if a only-use-factory-presets synthesis noob like me already actually can make decent sounds (and have fun in the process), I think that says a lot about how well designed the interface on this beast is. If there's one thing to complain about tho it would be the menus and buttons in the wavetable view, they are a bit too tiny even for me.

And by the way there's a bug in there when using your own tables, sometime Nave randomly switches to another wavetable when changing preset back n fort, so email a backup now and then. It could be related to renaming presets, not sure yet what exactly causes it to happen.

June 19, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

So the crashes are not just ipad 2,when i paste vocals & drums e.t.c i have to be very slow on going through wavetables or Nave crashes.Theres also another crash where you get a large click type sound & Nave goes totally silent & you have to turn nave of properly.Im amazed they did not notice this,i got a email from my brother within 30 mins of him playing Nave & it crashing & he has not used the pasting option it just crashed on wave page.But apart from that its a wicked synth,best on ipad next to wavemapper.Both of them you can get a wicked beat going in no time,apart from grain science,animoog & a few others ive hardly touched any other synths in such along time.These 2 have taken synths to a whole new level with there sample options & loop playing envelopes & amazing arps

June 19, 2013  | person_outline IAP

Ok so I've managed to make a bank with around 20 or so presets for Nave, despite it being a crash fest on iPad 2 when going through wavetables (background backup system naaoow please Waldorf). Besides the crashing this thing is just so much fun to use, awesome interface in all aspects. Anyway, I'll just put the link to the Audiobus thread that has a bunch of audio demo snippets from some of the presets, and the download links (all free of course and no license mumbo jumbo)...Not sure if this is gonna make it past the spam filter tho...


June 26, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

Remove "item4" if it doesn't work, dunno where that came from

June 26, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

Hey @ChrisG that's cool!! Will check em out if I get a chance later!

I know exactly what you're talking about with the spam filters and the like...

That's why the site I am working on at the moment will eliminate these problems so you can freely share these things!

Coming soon!!!

June 26, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

@Baddcr – I have about 25 Nave presets in a bank ready to go. About the same for Magellan, Thor, and PPG Wavemapper. I'm going to try to have a similar number of presets ready for all the other iOS synths by the time you need them.

@ChrisG – nice bank. I especially like the violin blades. Sorry to hear about all the crashing. I don't understand why these apps behave so differently on different iPads. I've had apps that crash and quit on me like crazy that no one else had problems with, while Nave has never crashed on me. Not once, even though I've been creating banks and patches and loading waves and editing waves and whatnot.

June 26, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

@zen that's awesome - looking forward to it :)

June 26, 2013  | person_outline Steve

Ok it's not me this time, bloody phone!!! I swear I've changed my name multiple times on this blinkin thing! :-D

June 26, 2013  | person_outline Baddcr

Baddcr: Cool. Looking forward to see how what you're working on.

Zen: Thanks! About the crashing, I'm on a iPad 2 and they got 512mb RAM iPad 3 and above have 1024mb RAM. Unless there's a nasty bug inside the app it is always iOS closing down apps when it feels the RAM is getting low (making it look like the app crashed).

June 26, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

WARNING! WAY Off Topic...

@ChrisG – I don't doubt what you're stating, but I still don't really get it, because I'm talking about iPads of the same model (or generation... whatever). Take four iPad 2s, for example: Four people, each with an iPad 2 own four apps in common. App "A" quits all the time for person 1, but persons 2, 3, & 4 never have problems. App "B" quits all the time for person 2, yet 1, 3, & 4 never have issues with it. App "C" sucks only for person 3, and the only one pulling their hair out over app "D" is person 4.

On PCs with identical hardware and OS, I believe this would be a result of the different registry configurations that each machine has, since every software installation makes tweaks and changes to various OS files..

As I understand it, iOS doesn't let any app make changes to it, so that shouldn't be a factor.

Is that right? Or am I completely misinformed?

Since this is supposed to be a discussion about Nave, let me just state that: I love this greatest of iOS synths with the ill-conceived name! (I tell people I used Waldof's synth app when they ask, just so they don't smirk and say, " it's called Knave? Really?")

June 27, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

ChrisG wrote: "And by the way there's a bug in there when using your own tables, sometime Nave randomly switches to another wavetable when changing preset back n fort, so email a backup now and then. It could be related to renaming presets, not sure yet what exactly causes it to happen."

I can confirm this. Happened to me after renaming a preset with a custom wavetable.

June 29, 2013  | person_outline R2


Lets hope iOS 7 brings better memory management, and better ways to prioritize and keep the currently used app from "crashing". That's all I can think of that'll help with all this random crashing stuff goin in with iOS on different, or same, hardware.


That's great (that you can duplicate the bug as well I mean). That'll help waldorf find the bug and fix it. I left a few comments on their new Waldorf Nave Facebook site about. But would be great if another person also could confirm it (on Facebook, email or whatever).

June 29, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG


A few of my presets sounded completely different when I returned to them at a later date (and not in a good way). I didn't try to find out why, though. I just deleted them or reworked them into something else. In hindsight, a random wave table would explain it. I'll pay closer attention in the future. I sure hope they get this bug nailed quick – Sooo not cool to spend an hour developing a patch only to find it mangled later.

June 29, 2013  | person_outline ZenLizard

Updated bank with over 20 new presets, and polished a few older ones: http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/1369/preset-sharing-waldorf-nave-updated-060613-over-20-new-presets-added

Also, I´ve added links to other sites and users sharing their banks.

July 06, 2013  | person_outline ChrisG

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